[ToucanLoucan]

> You've answered the question as to why those people didn't support you

I asked no such question. You said:

> It's not hard to figure out, the fascists have been more explicitly welcoming to crypto freedom or at least put themselves out there to solicit that vote even if you claim their underlying policies aren't.

To which I said:

> If you back fascists to promote crypto, your values are fucked.

This is not a statement wondering why they didn't. I know why they didn't, even if I didn't directly say it. I'm saying here if your support for proper policies or candidates is contingent on their supporting your stupid shitcoins, then your values are fucked and I'm not interested in your conclusions as a result. Or to be more specific, if you're prepared to give Fascists power because you think it'll be better for your coinbase account, your values are fucked.

And while there is certainly a cost to having principles, to say that Kamala didn't win because she refused to court crypto is just ridiculously out-of-touch. That's a big question with a lot of variables, but I assure you things like:

1) Her being a woman

2) Her being non-white

3) Her being yet another pro-corpo do-nothing Democrat, with a back story including being a PROSECUTOR of all things

Had a shitload, a metric assload, an utter container-ship load more to do with her defeat than anything even tangentially related to your weird secondary finance system, and on that point I would bet a lot of REAL, not crypto, currency.

And here's the part you're missing about Trump and his ilk "showing up": that offer means nothing. Fascist regimes don't keep promises to their useful idiots, they keep them right up until they're not useful anymore. They'll feed your crypto conartists to the same wolves they'll feed me to, because nobody wins long-term under fascism, including the fascists who aren't currently holding the leash. Ross Ulbricht's pardon doesn't tell you Trump loves crypto freedom, it tells you Trump knows how to make a low-cost gesture to a bloc he needs this cycle. And frankly it tracks well that crypto holders were targeted by the Trump admin anyway, you're a self-selecting bloc of marks, ready and eager to hold ANOTHER bag to go with the one you've statistically speaking, already got.

But far more importantly: Fascists are not shy about the Fascist shit they aim to do, namely to harm people at scale. If you cosign that for bitcoin, I'm not here to persuade you or win your heart: that is not a position that a reasonable person takes, and so I see no purpose in attempting to reason with you.

[mothballed]

1) The question I refer to is the ancestor to which our comments are under. A question under which we are responding, but not a question authored by you.

2) My apologies for not being more explicit -- the specifics of the loss of the "libertarian" "crypto bros" is not a wholistic cause but rather a small fraction of the cause but more importantly also a symptom. A symptom of something that happened in broader society of alienated or ignored voters being hoodwinked by smooth talking fascists that showed up with a message more enticing than "we don't want your vote" or "you're a self-selecting bloc of marks" or "your values are fucked." You can hate they're that dumb, or that immoral, or what not but at the end of the day their vote still counts as much as yours.

[ToucanLoucan]

> My apologies for not being more explicit

Accepted.

> the specifics of the loss of the "libertarian" "crypto bros" is not a wholistic cause but rather a small fraction of the cause but more importantly also a symptom. A symptom of something that happened in broader society of alienated or ignored voters being hoodwinked by smooth talking fascists that showed up with a message more enticing than "we don't want your vote" or "you're a self-selecting bloc of marks" or "your values are fucked." You can hate they're that dumb, or that immoral, or what not but at the end of the day their vote still counts as much as yours.

Yeah, no shit: that's literally how fascism has always worked, every single time. It shows up with simple, tidy, "common sense" answers to complicated systemic problems, because that's the entire product. Fascism is a con that skips the part where you have to be right. We're not going to out-simple that without becoming liars ourselves, so no, I'm not interested in a messaging arms race against people who don't have to tell the truth to win.

And "their vote counts as much as mine" is true enough, sure. But you don't get to hide the content of that vote behind "well they were just susceptible to a good pitch." What was the pitch? Let's actually look at it instead of being coy: the "simple solution" fascists are selling right now is some version of "X group is ruining everything." Trans people (wave) get blamed for the "destruction of the West." Immigrants get blamed for "diluting western culture." These aren't complicated ideas that require nuance to refute, they're stupid on their face, the kind of stupid that falls over the second anyone actually looks at it. And that's exactly why I don't waste breath "engaging" with people parroting it: if your entire platform is just scapegoating, you just want to feed a sacrificial lamb to the volcano to make it stop erupting, I'm not obligated to pretend that's a serious discussion. A human one certainly, and an impulse I understand as it winds through our history like mold in raspberries, but not a serious point to be debated.

Call it a symptom if you want. But the disease was never "we didn't message nicely enough at crypto bros." The disease is that "blame the weird/foreign group" still works on people who'd rather have a villain than an explanation. That's on the people selling it certainly, and also it's on the people buying it: Both things are true at once.