[ceejayoz]

> the states can have jurisdiction over you just by being on their territory

Go on, take that theory just the tiniest little step further logically.

> I seem to remember a time when you could be a citizen of a state, but not of the United States...

When was that?

[latency-guy2]

> Go on, take that theory just the tiniest little step further logically.

So you take that step, is that illegal immigrant a citizen now because they killed someone?

[ceejayoz]

No. But they are certainly under our jurisdiction. They will be arrested, tried, and convicted accordingly.

If pregnant, their child, having been born in the US and under its jurisdiction, will be a citizen when born in prison.

They will not be sent home PNG like an ambassador.