[burnte]

I can understand most of what our conservative party does but I do not understand their obsession with Israel. I feel the nation should be supported and deserves to exist, but that they're doing a lot of inhumane things right now and saying that in the USA right now gets you called an antisemite incredibly fast.

[pstuart]

It's because Israel is necessary for hosting the Apocalypse, and they are eager for it to happen so Jesus will return.

I wish that was a joke, but its not, and it's terrifying.

[amanaplanacanal]

Which is just weird. There is nothing in their holy book like that, they just made it up and now it drives foreign policy.

[buellerbueller]

In whose holy book? Plenty of New Testament Biblical exegesis about the so-called "end times" involves things that could be interpreted as involving modern-day Israel (for example, the Jewish people returning to their homelands).

So: Jewish holy book? You're correct. Christian holy book? Answer is dependent on the sect of Christianity you are talking about.

[amanaplanacanal]

Every Christian picks and chooses the parts of the Bible they want to follow, and then adds their own "interpretation" to it. So you get Christian sects with all sorts of beliefs.

The earliest Christians thought that Jesus would return while they were still alive.

Other people have read all kinds of things into the texts which aren't really there.

[pstuart]

"weird" is a polite term for it. "crazy" is more like it.

[hsuduebc2]

It we rule out the possibilit thet they have "something on them", which I rule only because it kills discussion I would guess that the reason is simple tribalism.

The opposing side hates them, so naturally, because we are all semi-developed monkeys, you need to support them. No matter what.

[8note]

you put it right here:

> I feel the nation should be supported and deserves to exist

this is to say, you believe that israel should be supported in what it does, and that the inhumane stuff deserves to happen.

you arent in conflict with the conservative party.

if you said the same about nazi germany - that the nation should be supported and deserves to exist, that would be a very explicit support for the genocide.

the government is doing the things you want it to

[burnte]

> you put it right here: > > I feel the nation should be supported and deserves to exist > this is to say, you believe that Israel should be supported in what it does, and that the inhumane stuff deserves to happen.

Except you purposefully cut off where I said they're doing inhumane things that are not defense. I DO support their right to exist, but not their tactics. They're slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people for every terrorist they get.

> you arent in conflict with the conservative party.

I assure you, I am. In most ways.

> if you said the same about nazi germany - that the nation should be supported and deserves to exist, that would be a very explicit support for the genocide.

Does Germany have a right to exist? Yes. Did Germany have a right to exist in 1918 and in 1939? Yes. Did it have the right to start two major wars and slaughter tens of millions? No.

You CAN support someone's right to exist without also supporting EVERYTHING they might ever do. That's a ridiculously extreme statement.

> the government is doing the things you want it to

Again, no, it's not. You ignored half of what I said and then decided supporting existence equals supporting genocide.

I regret this reply already, this was not a serious attempt at a conversation on your part.

[outside1234]

The most simple explanation I've come up with for Russia and Israel is that they have incriminating kompromat on them.

Probably Epstein files on Trump, some sort of equivalent awfulness for the rest.

[sensanaty]

I just can't imagine at this point that Trump supporters or his cronies would care about literally any kompromat that might exist. Basically anyone who's payed any attention knows the dude's a pedophile, and he himself said that he could shoot someone in time square, with it televized, and he wouldn't lose supporters.

[actionfromafar]

Whatever the explanation, the Russia - Trump connection goes back to the 1980s.