[rusk]

> no balls and no vision

Seems to me they’re waiting it out. Everything could change in a presidential election and the European economy wins either way. It is an economic bloc after all.

What you describe would be what’s called “cutting off your nose to spite your face”

[GolfPopper]

The problem with "everything could change in a presidential election" is that offers no stability. No one wants to plan around "maybe the United States goes rabid again in four years".

[dspillett]

> Everything could change in a presidential election

Not really, not immediately, IMO. And if they could, that would be a problem in itself.

It will take some time to undo what has been done and will still be done in the current term. To change things back quickly would take both someone despotic on “the other side” willing to force things through with executive orders, and have the general support needed to weather the negative PR associated with that, and (perhaps more importantly) insufficient kick-back getting those orders quickly reverted or watered down. Even if they elect someone, and a team around them, who is willing and able to work that way, the changes made recently include changes that will make them harder to roll back on. And even if things do get magically fixed in the next term, that would just prove how quickly they could be unfixed again four years later.

[BlueTemplar]

For the worst, you mean ?

The current arrangement has been torpedoed a long time ago already, with the Patriot Act (2001) (though it took many years to understand the extent of it).

[bambax]

> Everything could change in a presidential election

No. It's the US who's a bully, as a country. The Trump administration is the worst so far, sure, but the US has always behaved as if they owned the world.

There is only one way to deal with bullies, and it's not to be nice and hope they forget about you. It's to stand your ground, not give an inch, and reciprocate.

[watwut]

> Everything could change in a presidential election

A lot can change, but not everything. Trump won twice and republican elites are fully behind him. Even if he looses, the same ideologies will continue. It happened twice, it is not a fluke but a permanent property of American politics.

Moreover, constitutional changes supreme court created are structural change. They will be super hard to undone - first they would need to change supreme court composition. The influence of money in American politics will just grow, the structural advantages of conservatives have in voting system will just grow and next conservative president will have even more space for maneuvering. (Non conservative one will likely be stopped by supreme court on some excuse.)

So, basically, outside of change actual constitution which is impossible, it will stay the same at best in the long term.

[rusk]

I agree with everything you have written here, however even in the face of that it makes “economic” sense for the EU to wait it out.

[watwut]

If it means "be strategic and start making necessary long term adjustements without entering useless temporary pissing contests" I agree.

If it means "wait and change nothing long term, hope it will be better" I dont.

[rusk]

I think a lot of European nations have been reevaluating their relationship with the US. Digital sovereignty in particular is a burning topic.