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by peterfirefly 29 days ago
> they don't speak the language - should they be forced to attend language school?

I disagree. They should learn the language of their own accord or get kicked out.

> C1.

Yes! And I would expect immigrants in citizen-facing jobs in the public sector to be at C2.

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> I disagree. They should learn the language of their own accord or get kicked out.

I can't agree, even though we likely have the same goals. You want to filter for people who work very hard to do their best to integrate. You don't want to filter for being good at self-studying languages. Most people just suck at self-studying through not much fault of their own, they were raised that way. It can also be incredibly useful for non-language integration purposes, as it gives them hours of direct contact hours with natives which - again, for the dedicated ones, which are the ones we want to stay - often leads to social contact and further integration.

I get where you're coming from, but the tax dollars needed for such language schools are really negligible, and I've seen with my own eyes the benefits to integration that couldn't be had without it. It's just a good cheap investment. I'd still apply the same final bar as you would, FWIW.

Most natives aren’t C2. Heck, a vast proportion of natives aren’t C1. Your standard is silly.

B2 is conversational + able to hold a discussion about theoretical concepts in multiple temporal forms. That’s plenty.