[Auracle]

Alright, so all of these die hard Republicans had a plan to do a coup...and none of them brought guns to the actual coup? Really?

It was stupid for many reasons, but it was a riot, not some preplanned ambush with weapons like is being talked about in the OP.

[ipython]

So in that case, what were they there to do, exactly?

Don't forget, an actual noose was erected on the capitol grounds: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/16/us/politics/jan-6-gallows.... Do I think they intended to literally drag Mike Pence out and physically hang him? No. But damned if that doesn't send a clear message.

[Auracle]

I'm not defending them, I'm just pointing out that the two things aren't equivalent.

And yeah, sure, the message was that they thought he was a traitor. I don't agree with them on that and I certainly don't agree that's a good way to send that message. My point is that if a bunch of conservatives want to do an actual coup they would be armed to the damned teeth.

[mikem170]

There were lots of Jan 6 weapons related convictions:

"180 defendants were charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon, which includes firearms and other types of weapons." [0]

What you described as a riot is considered by others to be part of a "fake electors" plot, to keep Trump in power after he lost the election [1], a plot which Pence didn't go along with. Trump even tweeted that day about it:

"If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency." [2]

[0] https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/us-capitol-attack-rioters...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

[2] https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/tweets-january-6-2...

[anigbrowl]

This is the most stupid refutation, surely you can do better. Besides the fact that several of them did bring guns or have them standing by, the ones focused on trying to derail the transfer of power were aware in advance that DC had very strict gun laws and were worried about getting caught before establishing momentum.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/oath-kee...

Even setting that aside, do you really expect people to believe Donald Trump decided to organize a giant rally, tweeting out 'Be there, will dbe wild!' for that location on January 6 just by chance? Staging the rally at the Ellipse in DC and getting large numbers of diehard MAGA people to attend cost several million dollars, are you seriously asking me to believe that it never occurred to any of the organizers or speakers that the certification of the election just happened to be taking place a short walk away? That when Trump suggested they would all walk up to the Capitol, what he expected was for people to mill around aimlessly for a while and then go home?

[Auracle]

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."

"By the way, Pennsylvania has now seen all of this. They didn't know because it was so quick. They had a vote. They voted. But now they see all this stuff, it's all come to light. Doesn't happen that fast. And they want to recertify their votes. They want to recertify. But the only way that can happen is if Mike Pence agrees to send it back. Mike Pence has to agree to send it back.

(Audience chants: "Send it back.")"

"

The Democrats are hopeless — they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But we're going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don't need any of our help. We're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country."

What he hoped was that the protest would show that there was a ton of support for his position that the election had been stolen and for the relevant people to take that into account.

[anigbrowl]

So you're saying he expected them to mill about aimlessly chanting or whatever, and that Pence/the senators would somehow treat this as a revelation? Total BS. You're asking me to forget all the heated rhetoric leading up to and even during the event (eg Rudy Giuliani telling people to fight or they won't have a country any more).

If your version of events were true, why didn't Trump put out a message to calm down his supporters within minutes of the situation devolving into a riot, rather than hours later? What prevented him tweeting 'No, stop - I said peacefully and patriotically: No violence! PLEASE LEAVE THE CAPITOL IMMEDIATELY'?

Did he have bone spurs in his thumbs?

[supertroop]

My god why are you so willfully ignorant of the fact that guns were present. Just stop talking if you’re going to play dumb or are dumb.