[dopidopHN2]

Oh,there is a constitutional basis to what we're doing. The 4th amendment regulate searches and seizure.

I would like the government bodies that have to follow the constitution to respect that.

When Flock track movement at scale, when skydio film with uncanny accuracy, when Leonardo build a unique id from your devices. This is infringement. ( See : kyllo vs USA )

I'm playing by the rules of democracy here. And yet you want to explain to me that democracy is hard and compromise frustrating.

Yes, I know! And I'm not asking for another system. I'm asking for accountably, transparency in decision, and actual representation of the voters.

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I've talk a lot. Do you think there is a problem in 2026 with local laws enforcement buying military grade surveillance services from private company without oversight ?

Or is it normal ? Maybe I should just chill and pick another hobby. Who care after all? Our leaders know better, I should trust them, their will be no abuse! Not here.

[godwinson__4-8]

The only thing I am pushing back against is your exhortations to fatalism. Let's be clear about how you started this thread. Walking your critique back to something more reasonable is appreciated.

Best of luck in the councils to come.

[dopidopHN2]

Where do I exhort to fatalism? That would mean : "there is nothing to be done, why bother"

Let's not turn the table here, I'm the one with a hobby of parsing system logs from surveillance system to prove that police forces are abusing it.

That's not exactly the definition of "letting fate decide". I'm taking action to support my beliefs . To both society and the legal system of our country.

What you might have confused with fatalism is my bleak view on our elected officials. I do have low esteem of them. But I don't think that all elected official are bad. I think they mostly stay too long in power and end up clinging to it, and, yes, getting corrupted in the process.

That last part often bring gasp and shock. But we have to come to term with it: as you stated, no humans are angel, and our elected official have problems.

Nothing that could not be fixed with the right amount of accountability.

[godwinson__4-8]

That is certainly not how you came across earlier.

To answer the question in your first sentence, allow me to quote you:

Have you been to a city council meeting lately ? Ever? I'm trying to push for surveillance regulation where I live. I'm there monthly.

Calling your representative is the best way to realise that they don't give a fuck. Yesterday I was editing a clip of one of them lying overtly. It will be a minor inconveniences.

what we call democracy is a dog and ponies show

and later:

Good luck in your comfort that your country is not broken

I am glad to know after this back and forth that you have a more sensible position. Perhaps I misread you, perhaps you could have articulated your original points with more subtlety. Perhaps we both have something to learn here.

Anyway, one more quote of your's I wish to highlight:

You are cute.

:)

[dopidopHN2]

My original quote use active verbs like "pushing", and is describing action I'm taking. That does not fit the definition of fatalism

And yeah, I found you cute in your naive view of how politics work."just get in there man"

But I take it back, you are mostly repeating thing back at me and not engaging in this conversation. Not cute, boring. Conversation is about swapping ideas. And I've been waiting for those, I'm still unclear on where you stand. Beside sounding vaguely offended? Maybe ? Hard to tell via text.

Anyhoo. Have a good evening