[radicalbyte]

Migration in my part of Europe (Holland) has largely been workers for jobs the Dutch won't do. These people are abused as a sort of semi-serf labour mainly in the farming sector.

Some groups are a big net benefit to our (looking at the income the group benefits / social support costs) and others slight net negative. But once you take the economy into account it's positive.

[denismenace]

It has been shown repeatedly in multiple studies (you might have heard a very prominent one from Denmark) that Non-European/Non-Western migrants are a net loss for the economy during their lifetime and also their children are a drag on the economy. Meaning the money spent by the government to support them is never made back (from the working) during their whole lifetime.

So no, most migrant groups are not a big benefit. Especially considering that this is only taking the economy into account. When you take into account the societal disruption and anti-values that they bring with them, then its clear how negative they have been for Europe.

[deanishe]

> largely been workers for jobs the Dutch won't do.

The Dutch were happy to do those jobs 50 years ago.

After every single "jobs the natives won't do", there's an unspoken "for the dogshit pay we offer."

[radicalbyte]

No they weren't, 50 years ago is when they were working very hard to get people in from Turkey/North Africa to do those jobs because they wanted to pay peanuts and the natives had options.

These are all hyper exploitative industries based on capital exploiting the poor. Which is something we both agree on.

[picofarad]

You'd have to stop importing the things you're not paying people enough to produce, otherwise your own products will be more expensive than the next nation over that has no qualms about poor pay for agriculture or whatever.

It all sounds great until the last 40+ years goes away, with the apples year round and bananas, etc.

Going back to just what you can produce in your country is gunna be a rude awakening for billions.

[schnitzelstoat]

People wouldn’t be willing to pay those prices for food, so they’d just end up importing it all.

You could force people to accept the low wages by removing all welfare but that has its own problems.

[throwaway85825]

I don't see neo feudalism as a positive.