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by dnlzro 29 days ago
I think most liberals have the intuition that laws should apply equally to citizens and non-citizens, and I think that's where a lot of the discomfort comes from when we talk about immigration. A citizen who doesn't meet those demands imposed on non-citizens (e.g., language, cultural assimilation, etc.) will never be at risk of deportation, simply because they were lucky enough to be born in the country.

However, it does seem that this Swedish party is willing to "repatriate" even Swedish-born citizens, so at least they're consistent.
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pixel_popping 29 days ago
It doesn't say that at all, Swedish-born citizens means at least one of the parent IS already Swedish, they aren't citizen at birth if none of the parents are swedish and that's just normal almost everywhere in the world.

You wouldn't expect your child to be Pakistani if you get birth over there as 2 German individuals.

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int_19h 29 days ago
Jus soli is pretty much the norm in the Americas, so it's more of an Old World / New World thing.
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pixel_popping 29 days ago
Yeah but US laws are irrelevant and is just one country and 85% of the rest of the world doesn't practice this kind of norm.
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int_19h 27 days ago
What I'm saying is that it's not just US. If you look at the map, almost the entire Western hemisphere is jus soli.
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pixel_popping 24 days ago
Sweden is not and is a very progressive country.
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deaux 28 days ago
> I think most liberals have the intuition that laws should apply equally to citizens and non-citizens, and I think that's where a lot of the discomfort comes from when we talk about immigration. A citizen who doesn't meet those demands imposed on non-citizens (e.g., language, cultural assimilation, etc.) will never be at risk of deportation, simply because they were lucky enough to be born in the country.

What you said makes no sense. Vanishingly few liberals believe laws should apply equally to citizens and non-citizens. If they did, they'd be for the complete abolition of visa/residency conditions altogether, simply allowing anyone to immigrate to the country. I doubt that even in the US more than 5% of people believe this. Any European country it'll be <3%.

Any visa/residency condition is a demand not imposed on citizens. Language and cultural assimilation aren't any different from other such conditions.

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