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by Avicebron 3 hours ago
Who wants this?
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All governments in the world, both sides of politics.

It's for the kids, you understand - to protect the kids.

There is no more noble purpose than to protect the kids.

Only a monster would not want to protect the kids.

Kids want it themselves. All popular people want it too. Imagine if we don't do this for the kids? Either this or kids will get hurt. All my friends want it too. One eastern country didn't protect their kids and look where it's at. This is the only way to save kids and we need to act fast! You should rather be against child labor than this.

Tried to collect more logical fallacies here.

It's by the kids (the goats).
Parents who want to raise healthy children.

Politicians who want to track everyone all the time.

The rare few politicians who want it to be easier to raise healthy children.

Tech CEOs who don't want to be liable for harming children's development.

Tech CEOs who want to track everyone all the time.

App coders who don't want to train a neural network to check IDs themselves.

Meta has spent $2B lobbying for this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47410870

They're lobbying FOR it?! I thought this would hinder them along with everyone else
Meta has a long history of breaking the law. I have no doubts Meta will have access to the personal details once you've "verified your age". They'll know WHO you are, as accurately as possible. Can you imagine how much that it worth to Meta, history's largest harvester of personal data? A whole lot more than $2B.

Now, based on their ruthless disregard for the law, do you think they're just going to use it to sell your ads?

They lobby for because then they can collect biometrics from kids and then reject them. So they don't serve underage kids , no fines but they do get data.
And it's another non-trivial barrier to entry for any potential upstart that may eventually grow to be a problem for meta
> then they can collect biometrics from kids

They will collect it from everyone to prove your age.

The question only that is it worth the gamble by Meta, as in how many people would rather leave the sites (from Whatsapp to Insta to Facebook) than give them their ID

They want to know all the children are 18+ to remove liability for what they do to them.
They are facing thousands of lawsuits related to teens and addiction because their harmful site is harmful.

Plus they are lobbying for it to be someone else's problem they are lobbying for device and OS based age verification.

If Facebook knows your precise age they can market to you "better."
Anyone who wants to centralize power: so big tech, big government, big corporations, and big dummies who think this is progress
These people are around you.

Watch this "regulate 3d printers because of children" hearing: https://youtu.be/sue88CXzPcQ?t=2285

Normal people that call themselves good names like "moms for actions" drag us into this totalitarian hell.

Government
We need opt-out clauses in taxes, so we can vote with our wallets if regular voting isn't working..
Tax opt outs are written in blood
The GOP. This is part of Project 2025. They want to outlaw porn.

> Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.

https://web.archive.org/web/20241103190346/https://static.pr...

Unfortunately I don't think it's that cut and dried.

Here is the list of cosponsors in case anyone was curious if their "representative" is on the list https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/119/s1748/cosponsors

A lot of it would go away if they just stopped consuming it. They consume it at least as much as anybody else. The only difference is the self loathing and belief that they need to be - and are qualified to be - the moral police.
IIRC the onlyfans creators were deemed the desired kind of immigrants. What’s the plan here, lure them in and throw them in jail?
Why not just outlaw sex? If looking at sex is illegal they might as well go all the way.
Because in their philosophy sex serves a purpose (procreation and the deepening of the marital union).

Anything that doesn’t support those two aims (contraception, abortion, gay marriage, pornography etc.) is therefore immoral but there’s nothing wrong with sex in its ‘proper’ context.

It is already outlawed in any practical mean. There is no proper way to consent. If participant changes their mind ten years latter, good luck at court!