[warumdarum]

Integrate or be deported. Try to culturally take over and experience the same. You joined a recipe that works from a place that does not work (as well). Some not at all. Do not bring that recipe for cultural disaster into this country.

[scarecrowbob]

Yeh, learn Diné and Ute or go back to Scotland.

[mindslight]

Appeals to culture are so cringe in the context of support for Con-ald fucking Grump, who has been the worst thing to happen to our culture and our country in my lifetime. Exhibit A: this train wreck of a "passport". I know you desperately want there to be some innate quality you personally possess that is responsible for "great" things, but the only thing you're actually demonstrating is utterly hopeless gullibility.

[warumdarum]

Your refusal to even analyze the topic, which you usually declare "just backwards folklore and superstition " gives the game away. Every place that mindset was allowed to run free has burned down to cinders, one way or another. 1 billion people are stuck in learned helplessness in the islamic world. The atheism of the soviet block eats itself right now in a invasion of ukraine. Europe is a getontocratic powderkeg of parallel societies. Everything this "anti-culture" has touched, withers and dies, and all that remains is the hateful comments and insult, of the disabled unable to even comprehend where his failures even originate from,loudly demanding decomplexification of society as final murderous act. Oh and btw fuck trump for trying a soft aspossible break away from this malstrom of failure that is the society your kind tries to compose without any attempt to understand human nature.

[mindslight]

> Your refusal to even analyze the topic

No, I do think culture is important. As I said, exhibit A: a passport design based on cult-of-personality rather than any lofty values of citizenship. Move over Lady Liberty - we've got this angry old guy, well past his prime, hunched over and glaring at you instead.

> which you usually declare "just backwards folklore and superstition"

I don't know who you are imagining here, but it's not me.

> trump for trying a soft aspossible break away from this malstrom of failure that is the society your kind tries to compose

Here is what you refuse to understand - Grump is not a "break away" but rather a further full-on embrace of our society's sickness, merely dressed up in different buntings. That exact "loudly demanding decomplexification of society as final murderous act" you've put your finger on but are too invested in to even recognize it. You've mistaken rambling screeds for focused criticism, destruction for reform, and condemnation by your fellow countrymen for success.

[warumdarum]

Have you ever interacted with another society? As in visited a place, learned the language to get what the locals talk about when not filtered by the upper crust filter that is a 2nd language. Who are you to declare a society sick or healthy? Why do your high standards only ever apply to the us? Where does this breath taking arrogance derive its moral authority from?

[mindslight]

> visited a place, learned the language to get what the locals talk about

Nothing relevant to this conversation. If you have your own example that you think might be enlightening, please share it.

> Who are you to declare a society sick or healthy?

I thought we were coming from shared ground here. If there are no problems with our society, then your own comments have no basis.

> Why do your high standards only ever apply to the us?

Because it's my society and I live here?

> Where does this breath taking arrogance derive its moral authority from?

It's called western civilization, and it is the exact moral authority you started off invoking. Once again this should be common ground, and trying to disown its application to my comment is completely disingenuous.