[tw1984]

> Another data point on this is the black market for Claude tokens in China [1]. The chat logs themselves are a commodity to train models.

anyone with IQ higher than 130 (thus qualified for actual AI R&D) would be questioning something obvious here -

if they are already doing such dodgy stuff with the aim to maximize profits, why would those resellers have large amount of logs with actual American model responses to sell to those AI labs in the first place. shouldn't they just post train & customize some leading Chinese open source models to pretend to be Opus or GPT for the vast majority of their users (as classified by some models) who don't know much about expected Opus behaviours & not skilled enough to tell the differences?

that is actually the interesting bit not covered in your censored version of the story line, it is also what happens on the ground. your censored version of the story implies that those dodgy resellers using stolen credit cards, pooling accounts with stolen IDs and illegally selling very personal logs would somehow be honest enough to spend extra $ to ensure their victims (aka paying users) can actually use real Opus and GPT. LOL

dude, you failed this IQ test miserably.

[saagarjha]

You don't actually need a very high IQ to do AI R&D. More than it takes to post IQ comments on this site, maybe.

[jampekka]

The galaxy brains in the labs putatively buying the logs wouldn't notice this? Or figure out a structure to prevent this?

[tw1984]

resellers wouldn't be trying to sell such junk in the first place. they use faked models to avoid the cost of Opus tokens, not to double dip to scam those with arguably the highest IQ in the country.