[JumpCrisscross]

> many people still sit with the issues they caused

From the vaccines? Is there any clinical basis for this category of long-term vaccine harm?

[linuxftw]

You're aware that the J&J was pulled from the market due to cardiac issues, right? It's not a theory that actual people were actually harmed by the products, the only question is risk/reward.

[jedberg]

More cardiac issues than the other vaccine options but far less than the virus. If it were the only option it would still be on the market. It was only pulled because better options showed up.

[basch]

it was blood clotting, not cardiac

[linuxftw]

> far less than the virus

Unfortunately, this isn't a claim that can be made. We don't know how many people got the virus, or how many times. And IIRC, the cardiac issues of the virus were mostly in older demographics, the J&J was affecting young a healthy people.

[JumpCrisscross]

> the cardiac issues of the virus were mostly in older demographics, the J&J was affecting young a healthy people

I have a friend who got Type 1 diabetes after Covid attacked his pancreas. (And he got infected in March 2020, so this isn't someone choosing to be diseased getting their just desserts.)

[basch]

J&J was not an mRNA vaccine either. the J&J vaccine gave further evidence that mRNA vaccines are the safer path.

it was blood clotting issues.

[JumpCrisscross]

> the J&J was pulled from the market due to cardiac issues, right?

Yes. I'm saying now that we've had time to examine those cases and look at the data, how many people are clinically agreed to have actually suffered long-term harms? (I don't believe the myocarditis was a long-term effect.)