[coldtea]

I'd rather have a civilized prison system with human conditions, instead of an medieval revenge, profiteering, racism and exclusion, a prison-labor complex, and the death penalty - all created, ran, and cheered by bigoted Old Testament-types of human scum.

Especially if I get far far worse crime outcomes than countries with much healthier prison systems.

But, hey, that's just me.

[WalterBright]

I'd be content with a prison system that keeps the criminals away from victimizing more people.

[paulryanrogers]

Humane prisons aren't incompatible with public safety from violent offenders.

[coldtea]

If anything, those countries have so much better outcomes, that it's not even funny...

[coldtea]

People say that in support of the current us system that achieves the opposite, getting far worse outcomes.

Probably because what they really want is not safety or justice or rehabilitation, but retribution, revenge, and a non-criminal way to express their sadistic tendencies on some group, and since that group is prisoners anyway, so few care, even better.