[krapp]

>I’m glad this is finally becoming the cause célèbre du jour.

It really isn't, though. Don't mistake the internet for reality. The majority of people in the US and Europe support laws like these, and most of the rest don't care.

Even on Hacker News the consensus is mostly in favor of anything from age restriction to making all social media illegal.

[miiiiiike]

> Even on Hacker News the consensus is mostly in favor of anything from age restriction to making all social media illegal.

That doesn't sound right. Put up a poll. I'd put money on 90%+ choosing some flavor privacy/anonymity on the internet.

[ricree]

The main issue is that they are very careful not to frame it like that. In broader contexts, it's always framed as something like "do you favor limiting children's access to social media" without a word on what it would cost to actually institute such a ban.

[rockskon]

It's about as meaningful a framing as asking if you favor world peace and ending world hunger.

[Terr_]

Relevant British comedy clip (Yes, [Prime] Minister) on such polls:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ahgjEjJkZks

[miiiiiike]

Yeah, and we’re starting to inoculate people against that kind of rhetoric. It’s a process.

[Gigachad]

Not really, if anything we are seeing what a good idea taking kids off social media is and how crazy we allowed this to all happen for so long.

[krapp]

> if anything we are seeing what a good idea taking kids off social media is and how crazy we allowed this to all happen for so long

We're not seeing anything of the sort, and couldn't possibly for some time yet.

What we are seeing, as evinced by the article, is how ineffective these laws are at actually keeping kids off social media, and how effective the mass collection of identity data is at creating an environment for scammers, hackers, data brokers and the means for widespread political oppression.

[causality0]

You don't necessarily have to be in favor of any measures which reduce adult privacy to be in favor of that. Logically speaking, the liability for minors accessing age-gated products and services is the person who provides those products and services to the minor. In the case of the internet, that person is the parent, not the ISP or the website. It is the parent who contracts with the provider and then forwards the product to the unauthorized user, the child. A parent who purchases, say, access to porn and then provides that access to their child is no different than a parent who buys booze and provides access to it to their child.

[cucumber3732842]

Exactly. You frame these things in the general case and HN is against it because obviously it's evil.

You frame it as "we've come up with a composite score (social credit) that lets us more efficiently enforce [stuff HN likes but the population likes way less]" and it's mostly all cheering and the one guy with principals is downvoted and flagged.

[krapp]

> I'd put money on 90%+ choosing some flavor privacy/anonymity on the internet.

I can only say what I've observed from numerous threads - people's advocacy for privacy on the internet here does not extend so social media.

But OK this could be fun let's put my keyboard where my mouth is: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48680434

[iamnothere]

Talk to people in person and you’ll get a different view (at least among those under 50), especially if you ask about the negatives.

Social media is full of astroturfing.