[eunos]

That aside I am a bit perplexed that almost absolute insistence of medical students to become researchers as well, it seems just become a pure practitioner is not a feasible option. To make it worse it looks more acceptable that a doctor really provide bad service or lacking communication and empathy to patients than not being a researcher.

[GerryAdamsSF]

Most doctors drop the research once they get a residency spot. It's just the selection mechanism for residency.

[nickgros]

Guidelines and standards can change quickly. It's important for clinicians to have a foundational understanding of statistical methods and to be able to critique studies.

For certain specialties, the number of residency positions is so limited that medical students have to publish research to be competitive, even if they have no interest in doing so later in their career.

But altogether I sort of agree, the incentives are pretty maligned such that for many it's just easier to become a bad scientist with more publications than a good one with fewer.

[gowld]

Publishing a study does not show "a foundational understanding of statistical methods and to be able to critique studies." It's literally the opposite!

[alcasa]

Clinical research is in a weird spot, where you need both clinical experience and research experience. Getting the former already requires long hours and you are swamped with work. The latter is highly age gated and if you want to pursue research you often need to achieve specific milestones before a certain age, e.g. to be considered for tenure etc.

[frollogaston]

It's kinda like saying high school students insist on taking AP or SAT Subject tests

[eunos]

At least AP or SAT Subject tests is not an independent researchs

[frollogaston]

I mean, the students don't want to take those, but they're heavily encouraged for getting into good colleges (well not SAT Subject anymore). Medical students are told that research helps get into residency.