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by flossEveryday 2 days ago
the biggest question for me is how robust are these designs.

in the journal articles they did show measurements of real devices which agreed fine with predictions, but i didn't find them addressing it explicitly in the text. also, some systems they presented contained subblocks that were conventionally designed that could be carrying some of the weight.

or maybe i'm just sour that they're coming for my job? or maybe that's what they want us to think?

i think what wins in practice is simple ideas that can work in spite of all manufacturing and environment variations, and model limitations -- think stuff like feedback and symmetry. and what they show here is the opposite of that. i've done blind optimization of circuit parameters some times only to end up realizing some pretty simple such ideas that i'd missed (like "you need symmetry here" or "you just need more bandwidth here") and made complete sense when you thought about them. so i wonder if we can't tweak a few pixels in their structures and reveal something simpler.

also, obligatory mention: "genetic antennas"

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> but i didn't find them addressing it explicitly in the text

Yes, this is exactly what bothers me about this article and about a few similar articles published in the past, that they do not contain any evidence that their claims about the usefulness of AI in design are true.

In TFA it says that the role of AI is replacing the electromagnetic simulator in the optimization process, by guessing the behavior of the structure, which is many orders of magnitude faster than a simulation.

This sounds plausible, but in order to believe this I would want to see the differences between AI guesses and real measurements, in the case of structures with geometries that are very different from those used in the training of the AI.

Also I would want to see exactly with which simulators they have compared the speed of the AI model.

There are various simulation approaches for electromagnetic fields and electronic circuits, that can trade-off accuracy for speed, so I am not convinced that AI inference takes necessarily much less time than some faster low-accuracy methods of simulation, which would still be more accurate and more reliable than AI guesses.

I came to mention genetic antennae as well!

Since you beat me to it, I'll add something that relates relates you were saying on "realizing some pretty simple... ideas".

I think a big plus of computer aided design like this is "innovization"[1]. Somewhat awkward term. But, a system like this leading one to deeper understanding of a particular process is the general idea. It's a fun feeling in practice.

[1]: https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/1143997.1144266

Yeah it's a hype slop piece