[pjmlp]

Julia and the Python JITs from GPU vendors will.

Mojo already lost the moment AMD, NVIDIA and Intel decided to fully support Python and Julia.

Additionally all of the parallel programming improvements in ISO C++ are coming from them as well, Modular did not have much moat when being a follower and not a driver.

[melodyogonna]

How did Mojo already lose when Qualcomm just made a $4B bet on it? You're forgetting that the language is still pre-1.0. The way I think of this... if Modular is able to remain an open platform, being part of an established corporation with existing customers is a better way to drive penetration compared to acquiring new customers.

[markkitti]

I'm not really sure if Mojo has lost or not, but the community has felt quite different than other language communities I have encountered. The development feels less organic and more driven by venture capital. This is most acutely felt in the current closed source development of mojo itself, which seems like it will continue into the near future.

I look forward to seeing open source mojo and the community that will bring.

[melodyogonna]

> The development feels less organic and more driven by venture capital

The development has been driven by the needs of Modular.

> This is most acutely felt in the current closed source development of mojo itself

Mojo compiler is closed, the language development is quite open. Some of the proposed changes have been shelved or tweaked based on community feedback. However, you should understand that the compiler is closed to avoid design by committee and bike-shedding, Modular will and does veto decisions on core language semantics, see: https://forum.modular.com/t/canonicalize-apis-around-int/253...

> which seems like it will continue into the near future.

The compiler is getting opened this August. I must admit, a lot of people who would be normally interested in the language are hesitant to poke at it with a stick with the current license (myself included).

The language has really great set of features and functionalities wrapped in a familiar syntax, I have zero doubt it'll reach mainstream adoption.

[mathisfun123]

> I have zero doubt it'll reach mainstream adoption.

I'll gladly put $1000 in escrow as a bet that it never reaches more than 1% on literally any index of your choosing (TIOBE or whatever)

[bigyabai]

> I have zero doubt it'll reach mainstream adoption

Be careful. I said this 10 years ago about OpenCL, and I've ate crow ever since.

[Archit3ch]

> How did Mojo already lose when Qualcomm just made a $4B bet on it?

NVDA market cap is $4.7T.

The difference between a billion and a trillion is roughly a trillion.

[pjmlp]

The founders won the lottery, the language most likely will never make mainstream.

[melodyogonna]

Ha! I think whether Mojo will make mainstream or not is already a forgone conclusion. It solves too much of a technical problem to be niche. To me, it is a matter of when... not if.

[markkitti]

It is not the only solution to that technical problem though. Past attempts at this have shown a clear preference for solutions that actually are extensions of CPython rather than distinct tool chains.

[melodyogonna]

Past attempts at what exactly, I'm not sure I follow. Are you talking about two-language problem, heterogenous compute, or cross-platform accerelated compute stack?