[CommonGuy]

Cloudflare really likes to publish new projects, but improving them in the future is not really their style. Some examples:

- They launched Cloudflare Web Analytics in 2020, but it still does not support basic things such as UTM parameters or custom events

- With wrangler (their CLI), you still cannot undeploy a Cloudflare Page

[r3trohack3r]

The last commit to wrangler was 2 hours ago?

https://github.com/cloudflare/workers-sdk/tree/main/packages...

[aroman]

That’s exactly the point.

Wrangler, being cloudflare’s primary CLI tool, is a microcosm of exactly the problem GP was articulating: it’s focused way more on adding new commands than improving existing ones.

Many products, even supposedly “GA” ones, still lack basic operability via wrangler because instead of finishing building out its capabilities to manage existing services, they prioritized adding rudimentary support for new ones.

[dust-jacket]

Nah, you don't get to claim they don't work on improving their products, and then handwave away actual updates to it with "yeah but those aren't the improvements I wanted". That's just life and priorities.

Abandoning something, and not making the changes you want to see are entirely different things.

[aroman]

You're arguing against a point I did not make. I observed that Cloudflare prioritizes expanding to new products over making improvements to existing ones. I did not claim they do not improve their products.

There are numerous examples, such as Cloudflare claiming Workflows had reached "GA" status before offering a way to delete workflows... not via wrangler, not the dashboard, not the API. They eventually added this many months after declaring it "GA", with no upfront disclaimers, just the capability silently missing.

If they want to move fast and break things (and they do, as their numerous, "CEO declares an emergency" outages have evidenced) they can — but they need to be honest in their communication about the production readiness of their new products.

That is not "life and priorities": it is poor communication/judgement from an infra company, and misleading advertising at worst. I choose to believe it's the former.

[dust-jacket]

> I did not claim they do not improve their products.

Apologies that I didn't notice you weren't CommonGuy, who said "improving them in the future is not really their style". Consider my reply aimed at them. The two of you seem to be saying something quite different. I don't think I necessarily disagree with you

[dumah]

Sure he does.

It's not handwaving to complain that shipped features are never completed and a functional CLI for fundamental and critical tasks is never delivered.

[carimura]

I suspect CF is their future CLI.