[adjejmxbdjdn]

Bootlegging is copyright theft.

Is Claude output copyrighted?

If anything, a tremendous amount of Claude’s input is copyrighted.

If there’s any bootlegging going on it’s Anthropic that’s doing the bootlegging but having mirrored the video etc sufficiently to beat copyright law.

[gruez]

>Bootlegging is copyright theft.

Ok, but what about those shady sites that resell Windows education keys? They're certainly a "better experience" than buying legit keys, by virtue of being significantly cheaper. You aren't even really committing copyright infringement in the process, because Microsoft gives out windows isos for free, and the seller is really selling a random 25 character string, which can hardly be copyrighted.

>If there’s any bootlegging going on it’s Anthropic that’s doing the bootlegging but having mirrored the video etc sufficiently to beat copyright law.

US courts have consistently ruled it's fair use.

[smegger001]

>>If there’s any bootlegging going on it’s Anthropic that’s doing the bootlegging but having mirrored the video etc sufficiently to beat copyright law.

>US courts have consistently ruled it's fair use.

And they also have ruled that the that output of an AI isn't copyrightable.

As such copying claudes output isnt even fair use as that is an exemption to copyright but the same as copying public domain work which any and all are allowed to do.

[jrflowers]

> US courts have consistently ruled its fair use.

Like Adam Smith wrote in The Wealth of Nations “‘Free market’ is when a company receives a favorable ruling about copyright in the United States”

[chrismorgan]

> because Microsoft gives out windows isos for free,

… with a license that only allows you to use it for certain purposes, subject to certain restrictions.

> and the seller is really selling a random 25 character string, which can hardly be copyrighted.

1. Copyright is about creative works. It is possible to have a meaningful creative work no more than 25 characters long (or equivalent). Music is particularly good at this.

2. The key itself is not copyrighted (it’s not a creative work), but is reasonably interpreted as a copyright circumvention device. See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number.

[throwaway7356]

> Ok, but what about those shady sites that resell Windows education keys?

Yes, they are fine? They might no longer include full first party support by Microsoft for not being "new". Same as buying a used car (also comes with the "shady sites" for a far longer time).

Though this not making any difference by Microsoft not doing any support either way to make more money is a business decision by Microsoft.

[jrflowers]

What about those store brand cereals? “Chocolate puffed balls” for a fraction of the price of Cocoa Puffs™?! You all may laugh until your waterways are under siege and you find Cap’n Crunch™ keelhauled by thrifty shoppers

[gowld]

and Chinese courts are ruling that using Claude is fair use.

[8note]

american courts have ruled that theres no copyright at all on LLM outputs

[bandrami]

The current case law in the US is that the raw output of an LLM cannot be copyrighted without further meaningful arrangement or alteration by a human author.

[numpad0]

I think renting out ID to let others in without telling the admin is generally unlawful in many places