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by ProllyInfamous 38 days ago
I just read an entire book about consciousness [0], and now I understand myself even less.

[0] <https://www.amazon.com/World-Appears-Journey-into-Consciousn...>

My key takeaway was this: I feel, therefore I am; not sure if any more conscious than plants.

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You also communicate with others (not-you). You know that there are others because you can gain knowledge from them, which you didn't have before. And in that knowledge lies awareness of your self and consciousness.
Plants also communicate with others and gain knowledge from them.

Is an elm also conscious?

Can't really make a determination on that as we can't communicate with an elm and have a "heart to heart" talk with it.
Read The Hidden Life of Trees [0]

[0] <https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Life-Trees-Communicate_Discove...>

Elm definitely have heart to hearts with each other. If we watch them on a long-enough timeline, they definitely set and achieve goals (for themselves and others).

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In my previous book recommendation (Pollan) there is a chapter on plants observed in timelapse/FFW, which have been able to effectively "remember solved mazes" (not exactly, but neat studies/equivalents) – similar to slime molds (as described in Entangled Life [1]).

[1] <https://www.amazon.com/Entangled-Life-Worlds-Change-Futures/...>

Books don't work for things like this. Where are the papers? Start with actual science, exhaust all avenues on that and then the philosophy can be approached.
Each of the above-linked books is filled with citations, including dozens of other researchers' papers. Start with general philosophy, exhaust all avenues on that and then the "scientific" can be approached.
Love it, this is very Emmanuel Levinas and Paul Ricœur.