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by IshKebab 34 days ago
> Is `(* (+ a b) (+ c d))` clearly worse than `(a + b) * (c + d);`?

Yes.

> `(list 1 2 3)` is clearly better than ...

It's not better than `[1, 2, 3]` is it?

> How often are you trying to make sense of a bunch of infix arithmetic operations when you're programming?

Very often??

Anyway it isn't just the lack of infix that makes it difficult to read - there's also the crazy bracket matching, and the lack of syntax in general. Yes that is a strength when writing parsers, macros and so on, but it also definitely hurts readability.
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evdubs 34 days ago
> It's not better than `[1, 2, 3]` is it?

If you want to change your vector to a linked list, in Lisp, you can change from `(vector 1 2 3)` to `(list 1 2 3)`. If you have some array `[1, 2, 3]` and you want to change to a linked list for whatever performance concern, you'd have to replace `[1, 2, 3]` with..

    var list = new List();
    l.insert(1);
    l.insert(2);
    l.insert(3);
Maybe this example is contrived, but I feel like it is much more of a realistic example to want to change from an unsorted map to a sorted map. You can't just simply switch from `{k1: v1, k2: v2}` to `sorted{k1: v1, k2: v2}` as you could do in Lisp from `(unsorted-map k1 v1 k2 v2)` to `(sorted-map k1 v1 k2 v2)`. You'd need to write out all of your operations as with the list example. And, all of a sudden you are stuck with using the unsorted data structure for your JSON serialization rather than having the ability to reach for a sorted data structure.

`(date 2026 6 1)` is better than "2026-06-01" because the latter isn't a date, it's a date string. `(date 2026 6 1)` is better than `new Date(2026, 6, 1);` because the former is how it is serialized and can be deserialized.

> there's also the crazy bracket matching

At least with reading code, there is almost no reason to try to match brackets at all. It's like complaining about having to read semi-colons in languages that use them to signify the end of a statement. When writing code, Lisp is just another language like all the rest that benefit from an IDE that is syntax-aware. Having highlights for the starting paren and ending paren for an expression and being able to just select a particular expression make bracket matching fairly effortless.

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