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by jameshilliard 37 days ago
> you cannot become part of the ethno-religious group that the state is meant to represent. Not you and not any of your descendants, ever.

AFAIU Israel does accept conversions to Judaism so that's not actually accurate.

> This is a classic of Israeli propaganda: justifying an actual wrong (discrimination, apartheid, occupation, murder, you name it) with the allegation that a worse wrong would be committed by the other side.

I'm not justifying actual wrongs, however Israel giving citizenship to all individuals who claim to be Palestinians is unlikely to result in a good outcome.

> In other words, justifying actual crimes with imagined ones.

Just look at Palestinian opinion polling and it will become clear why giving citizenship to all Palestinians would likely result in a civil war.

> Jewish history in Muslim majority countries hasn't been worse than history in European and Christian countries.

Jews lived as second class citizens in Muslim majority countries.

> In many cases it was actually better.

That's not really saying much.

> The Holocaust was perpetrated by Europeans, not by Muslims.

Yet there are far more Jews living in Europe today than there are Jews living in MENA countries(excluding Israel). Maybe Europeans largely learned that their past behavior was wrong while those in MENA countries largely did not.

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Palestinians in Israel are not permitted to convert to Judaism, so no there is no path to assimilate and join the majority. https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/palestinian-requ...
> Palestinians in Israel are not permitted to convert to Judaism, so no there is no path to assimilate and join the majority.

This whole area of Israeli law AFAIU is rather confusing, keep in mind even many Jews are not recognized fully either due to Orthodox standards sometimes being applied, although there have been some more recent changes there I think.[0]

In practice though Palestinian/Arab Israelis probably can convert to Judaism in some form and since they would already be citizens the conversion from my understanding would not make much difference in practice for the legal status. Note that there are different congregations that have different conversion rules and there are also differences in how the Israeli government recognizes conversions for purposes of citizenship.

Palestinians living in the territories that are not Israeli citizens would have much more difficulty converting simply because it would be effectively impossible to covert within say the PA controlled parts of the Palestinian territories(since Jews are generally not allowed into those territories and I don't think conversions are typically allowed to be done remotely).

Between Israeli citizens AFAIU the only form of legal discrimination is arguably applied against non-Arab Israeli citizens(i.e. Jews, Druze) since they have required military service while Arab Israeli's do not. Arab Israeli's can of course still volunteer for military service so being classified legally as an Arab Israeli doesn't really have legal downsides from my understanding.

[0] https://jweekly.com/2021/03/01/israeli-supreme-court-rules-s...