[TeMPOraL]

> compliance basically comes down to "We trust the [third party] enough, and [third party component] is vital to our business, so we accept the risks"

This is the beginning and end of reasonable security. This is what it's always about, and if you go beyond it, you risk practicing art for the sake of art, at the expense of customers and other stakeholders.

Security is about understanding and managing risk. Not about achieving some mathematical perfection (which is actually only achievable by making your system an inert piece of rock, but people realize that way too late, after piling on way too many pointless "security improvements").

[clates]

I've almost always gotten everything I want from security teams over my career. Usually a quick and honest chat with them gets you pretty far. I always lead with some flavor of "In my perfect world, I have 100% access and ability to everything, everywhere all the time. In your perfect world, I don't even have a computer. Here's why I need X permission / Y user group / z application"

From the perspective of big corporate security - developers are a wild nuisance who file the lions share of the tickets and soak up an inordinate amount of resources. Being able to at least explain to them that you understand their objectives and are not overrequesting just for the sake of overrequesting goes a long way.

[gautamsomani]

Asking out of curiousity - how would you or how does your org handles this right now?

[robertlagrant]

I'm not the previous poster, but in my experience you can get a lot of mileage out of having dev teams (tediously, at least the first time) go through all potential vulnerabilities, decide how risky each one is based on likelihood and impact, and then get them to address the high/highs somehow (e.g. by upgrading a dependency, or writing extra code to guard against the issue, or fixing the issue if it's a home-grown vulnerability).