[lazide]

Shifted? Not at all. Merely articulated the specific mechanisms.

As you note - my original point stands, and is correct.

It’s difficult to come up with ‘weird’ or ‘suspicious’ behavior that isn’t going to be reasonable suspicion of something, and that is by design.

Or we could just go to disturbing the peace or loitering eh?

[wat10000]

It's trivial. Playing the bagpipes while riding a unicycle. Very weird and unusual but not reasonable suspicion of anything.

I'm happy to come up with a dozen more if you lack imagination.

Similarly, there's plenty of non-weird, non-unusual behavior that legally justifies a traffic stop, such as exceeding the speed limit or rolling through a stop sign.

[lazide]

Have you ever tried it in public, except in perhaps a college town or another handful of special places or circumstances?

Because you’d definitely get threatened with disturbing the peace, entertaining without a license, or be evaluated for public intoxication or drug use anywhere else.

People generally get speeding or traffic tickets when they stick out.

You have this weird overconfident naïveté about how the world actually works. Let me guess, 20 something white male, college educated, lives in SF or NYC? Loving parents who are still together?

How many did I get?

[wat10000]

You got one (college educated). Congrats.

I specifically mentioned that police don’t necessarily follow the law here. So I don’t know where you get the idea that I’m naive about how the world works. Police might hassle you, but that doesn’t mean it’s legal for them to do so.

[lazide]

It’s not against the law, the way you’re using the term.

[wat10000]

Meaning it only leads to suppression of evidence and not punishment for the perpetrators? Or that they'll have to come up with some probable cause to make it legal, but they can do that more or less at will? Or something else?

[lazide]

This whole conversation is bizarre. yes, that is what I said.

it seems to be pretty different from what you were saying though, since if you meant it that way then what is even the point of your comment?