[gravatron]

I spent significant time recently in both a new F150 and a Toyota Sienna, and it isn't even close in the comfort between them. F150 wins by a mile by the sheer amount of space you have in that thing for both passengers and cargo. Not to mention the ability to tow.

[kube-system]

Precisely zero of that interior space is under the hood.

[vel0city]

> F150 wins by a mile by the sheer amount of space you have in that thing for both passengers

How much leg room does the third row have in that F150? I don't think the seats for the sixth and seventh passengers are quite comfortable.

How are the footrests on the second row? Are those Captains chairs on the second row or a rigid bench with no reclining at all? When you talk about how comfortable it is, are you saying that as all the passengers (all 6-7) or just you as the driver?

Are you comfortable letting a three year old operate the doors without damaging other cars around them and climb in and out of that F-150 on their own? My young kids manage the sliding doors just fine, their ability to largely do it on their own and the ease of access of the sliding door makes it a lot more comfortable getting them in and out. In fact, I can open the doors safely before they even reach the car. That's pretty dang comfortable.

> Not to mention the ability to tow.

The thing everyone imagines they'll do all the time but in practice practically never do.

[fragmede]

The amount of space in the frunk of the F150 lightning is amazing. Such a shame they stopped making them.

[baq]

How often people tow anything?

[gravatron]

Is this a serious question? A lot of people tow stuff all the time for work, home improvement, or recreation. Not everyone is a city dweller living in a small apartment whose only options to spend their free time is picking which restaurant to eat dinner at.

[ajuc]

People in Europe tow stuff with 120 HP sedans or combis all the time. Driving a vehicle that you can't park, that's unsafe for pedestrians and burns 50% more every day just so you can tow something marginally easier on these 2 occassions a year when you need to tow something larger than a 500kg trailer makes 0 sense.

And if we're talking businesses, building crews etc. - this is what they actually need: https://img.linemedia.com/img/s/flatbed-truck-3-5t-Volkswage...

Or just a regular van more likely, cause rain is a thing.

VW crafter with dual cab uses 57% of its length for the flatbed, largest F150 - 39%. Notice how the engine fits into this tiny vedge-shaped hood.

https://i.imgur.com/KopGeTi.png

Same idea as American trucks, more cargo space, higher usable load, can be loaded from all sides, completely flat bed, no wheel cutouts, fits 6 people inside, burns less fuel. All because there's no ridiculously huge hood, wheels and engine.

Let's be honest here. American pickup trucks are not about the usability, they are about ego.

[vel0city]

Yeah. All those accountants and software developers and doctors and insurance salespeople and marketing people and what not gotta tow for work all the time.

Very few jobs require people to tow with their personal daily driver all the time.

> Not everyone is a city dweller

And yet a ton of these city dwellers do drive around in these giant lifted trucks.

It's also incredible to me you can't actually imagine any hobbies that don't require driving a giant pickup truck around. It's just so overly ingrained into your identity. As if it requires a giant pickup truck to go fishing or go to a sports field or go camping or whatever.