[lowbloodsugar]

Stepped out of a coffee shop, got text from wife, grabbed my phone and got missed by inches by a kid on a scooter easily doing 25mph on the sidewalk. The text possibly saved my ability to walk in future by having me to pause just for a moment.

[macintux]

I was 3-4 feet from a building corner when someone raced around it on a scooter. Amazing to me the complete lack of both self-preservation and respect for others.

On the other hand, kids have always been stupid. We've just given them new, more powerful ways to abuse that lack of awareness.

[vkou]

> We've just given them new, more powerful ways to abuse that lack of awareness.

Automobiles for 16-year olds have been around for a very long time.

Anyways, it's quintessentially American to be talking about oversized landship SUVs and trucks killing people, only to have someone derail it into kvetching about kids and bicycles.

[dualvariable]

Okay, now do the times when some reckless driver nearly got you killed...

[macintux]

I don't disagree cars are more dangerous. But I can manage to be concerned about two things simultaneously.

[throw4847285]

But this post is about SUVs and somehow the biggest thread is about the danger of ebikes and scooters. It sure does make you think...

[dualvariable]

I'm way more concerned about getting run over or T-boned by a distracted driver in a huge pickup, and literally nothing is getting done about that.

[frollogaston]

The rate of people running stop signs and red lights is way higher on e-bikes. And cars usually aren't driving on sidewalks.

[ambicapter]

on the sidewalk? Never.

[Aerroon]

The problem is with bicycles being relegated to either the sidewalk or the main road with cars. I'm really not a fan of how cities create bikelanes by putting a line through the sidewalk and then nobody respects it.

I see the appeal in trying to ride fast, but it gets kind of scary. When I rode a bike I went fast outside the city specifically to avoid pedestrians.

[hansvm]

And the main road with cars wouldn't be an issue if people had a little common sense and respect. I was descending down a mountain road on my bicycle once, definitely speeding (enough so that I caught up to the traffic ahead of me -- really just trying to get off the mountain quickly though since I know people like the following exist), and some giant truck decided it was up to them to show me a lesson for riding in the road -- tailgated me the entire way down the bloody mountain, and there was no safe way for me to pull over (no shoulder, trees and steep drop), to speed up (I was already booking it, and there was a car in front of me anyway and no safe way to pass), or slow down (IME, slowing down when in a car sends people like that into a rage, so I wasn't comfortable bleeding off any speed with this guy a few feet behind me). If I had any equipment failures or had to slow down for any reason it would've been a nasty accident.