[donmcronald]

> buy a card with a UUID from anywhere that sells alcohol/tobacco that is valid for some period of time

Why should I pay continuously to prove I'm an adult? And those cards will be getting sold to kids faster than you can blink. I bet a lot of parents would buy them for their kids.

[drdexebtjl]

> I bet a lot of parents would buy them for their kids.

Good. I should be able to make judgement calls about what my children can or can’t access outside of school.

It’s better if they do it under my supervision than against my back, aided by a predator whose only moat is lending their ID, or their face.

[sdeframond]

> I bet a lot of parents would buy them for their kids.

That changes the default from "anyone can do anything" to "gotta ask parents". Defaults matter at scale. It adds friction.

[john_strinlai]

>And those cards will be getting sold to kids faster than you can blink.

there's a reason i said 90% and not 100% effective. alcohol and tobacco get resold to kids, too.

[fl4regun]

What makes you think this will be close to 90%? Unless these cards are expensive I don't see that happening.

[john_strinlai]

>What makes you think this will be close to 90%? Unless these cards are expensive I don't see that happening.

its obviously just an illustrative guess. but if the penalty of possessing the card is similar to underage possession of alcohol/tobacco, and larger penalties if a store/person is found providing a card to someone underage, i see no reason why it wouldnt have a similar success rate as alcohol/tobacco.

[inigyou]

Why possess the card when you can just buy the UUID on the dark web

[bilkow]

If they have access to the "dark web" they can already do anything that requires age verification there. In the same way you expect that the rule to "not sell UUIDs" wouldn't be respected there, I wouldn't expect other age-verification rules to be respected, no matter the verification method.

[john_strinlai]

sure? i feel like i need to reemphasize the "not going for 100% effectiveness" thing again.

hopefully some parent steps in if their kid is on the dark web trying to make purchases with their parent's credit card.

[CPLX]

Why should you pay for an internet connection, or a computing device with a screen? This isn't a serious counterargument.

[fluoridation]

Because those things cost money to make and to maintain, whereas there's no intrinsic cost to prove one is an adult.

[CPLX]

Yes there is.

You need to pay for a drivers license or a passport and so on. So there is an intrinsic cost to prove who you are where you are from and what your birthday is already.

You have to pay for all sorts of small things to participate in normal society. This isn't a serious criticism.

By definition this is not a life critical thing, it's something that is procured in order to access specific services on the internet, which is not free.