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AFAIK (did an internship in Dublin), irish children still learn Gaelic in school, but not in a way that’d make them able to talk to each other in it, much like Germans in some schools chose to learn latin. You can use the language to decipher old pieces of history, but not to talk about how your day was.

I’ve never heard about dealings with the government that could only be done in Gaelic. Everything I did was in English.

[eoin_murphy]

Gaelic is compulsory for both primary and secondary school which means that almost everyone will study it between the ages of 5 and 16 (minimum school leaving age). It says something about our approach that all but a very small minority of school leavers are effectively unable to hold a conversation in the language.

It's been compulsory since the formation of the Irish state during that time the percentage of actual spoken Irish (as well as general Irish comprehension) has continually dropped. Given that the actual aim of this was to promote the language I think it's safe to say it's been an unmitigated disaster.

My personal take on this (I went to an all Irish primary school so I was fluent) is that there's two factors here:

1 - The way it's taught is absolutely terrible. There's a focus on the grammar and structure of the language rather than actually speaking it. This means that students associate it with memorizing genitive and dative cases which is pretty boring. This means the student don't like it. Some of those students grow up to be the teachers, and they've got a negative attitude to the language. Wash, rinse repeat for 90 years and you get to where we are now.

2 - There's no economic incentive to learn the language. Unless you're living in a gaeltacht (nearly all in very rural areas) you're almost never actually going to be able to use it. It's not present in any other country and apart from having conversations which foreigners can't understand, isn't useful. There are reasons to learn it but they're cultural or academic rather than practical.

There are signs of regrowth with more and more all Irish schools popping up but my impression is that it's become a middle class status symbol to be able to speak the language so we'll see what happens there. There's also been discussion about reforming the syllabus to split it into conversational Irish (compulsory) and 'academic' Irish (optional)

As for dealing with the government, you're permitted (not obligated) to conduct all of your business with officials through Irish and demand that they do the same with you. We have two versions of our constitution, one in Irish and one in English. In the case of any discrepancies, the Irish one takes precedence.

[patrickk]

I heard somewhere that if you give your name in Irish to a Garda (Irish police) and the case goes to court (say you are pulled over for speeding or something), the court case must be conducted through Irish (the Irish state has two official languages - English and Gaeilge/Irish).

This could be a hilariously clever way to run down the statute of limitations as barely anyone in the country speaks Irish, and that includes judges and barristers. I think the Gardai have to pass a certain minimum level of Irish to get into the Garda training college. This could be just an urban myth though, so take it with a pinch of salt.