[ragequittah]

If that hammer could allow people to go into people's homes / work en masse, steal all their information, blackmail them, steal their identities, break their systems (including those of hospitals and other critical infrastructure) and generally help fund bad actors through it all we'd think of having restrictions on hammers too. A hammer can't screw people over by the millions.

I don't like this argument specifically with AI. Facial recognition everywhere you go is just a tool. Your job creating a detailed profile on exactly how you work, who you talk to, and about what is just a tool. The tools have become so good and easy to use we have to have serious discussions about them before things get out of hand.

[OutOfHere]

Did you see how close the non-sheltered available models come? They come quite close. Most people aren't even using them for this purpose, but they could, and this is our reality. This is why your argument fails.

[ben_w]

Disagree. @lionkor compared them to a hammer, and @ragequittah is saying they're not like a hammer.

The narrow gap between downloadable and frontier models is tangential to this. If you want to expand on the "hammer" metaphor, the downloadable models are a small construction/demolitions firm, and the frontier models are a big construction/demolitions firm.

In this analogy, there's no training school or certifications for the staff either of them hire, and society is still working out what public liability requirements and planning permission laws are even though both companies are being hired all over the place, because everything they do was only invented a few years ago.

[baq]

> big construction/demolitions firm

Like, e.g. the USACE

[ben_w]

If the USACE was a private military company and local lords sometimes still did direct battle with each other without being told to stop by the king.

[soco]

So the solution is... giving up? Let the technogods do whatever they please? Because we are not talking about storms and earthquakes, but about humans in power.