[bluebarbet]

You're being stubborn. From Wikipedia:

>Public housing, also known as social housing, is subsidized or affordable housing provided in buildings that are usually owned and managed by local government, central government, nonprofit organizations or a combination thereof.

[youre-wrong3]

ITS NOT OWNED AND MANAGED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

You literally just quoted why it’s not public housing. Jesus Christ.

[eru]

Wikipedia says 'usually'. And, yes, you are right that the individual HDB flats are typically owned by individual families (though the government also owns some and rents them out, but that's the exception).

However, HDB still does a lot of the managing. Eg HDB manages the lifts and other common spaces. They organise getting the exterior repainted, or general upgrading works to plumbing etc.

HDB also subsidises the price of a flat when you buy directly from them. There's a reason they have maximum income caps for buying.

My unpopular opinion: HDB should declare victory and go home. They more than solved the original acute housing shortage they were created for.

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Singapore does a lot of things right. And HDB is, as usually a lot more competent than pretty much any other public housing programme anywhere else in the world. But that doesn't mean everything Singapore does (including HDB) is automatically a good idea forever.

Just like our local recreational drug policy could probably be improved by moving closer to what we do with the casinos. And the ban on vaping is just silly.

[youre-wrong3]

> However, HDB still does a lot of the managing. Eg HDB manages the lifts and other common spaces. They organise getting the exterior repainted, or general upgrading works to plumbing etc.

By that logic every apartment block is public housing.

[eru]

No, why? The condos in Singapore are run by private-sector management companies.

[youre-wrong3]

Because someone manages the lifts lights and exterior. So it must be public housing by your logic.

[eru]

Huh? HDB, which is an arm of the government, manages lifts, light and exterior.

The condo management companies are not arms of the government.

What is so hard about this? Is there something I'm not understanding?

[bluebarbet]

The definition is qualified: "usually", "nonprofit organizations", "combination".

>Jesus Christ.

Sometimes I'm disappointed by the level of contributions here.

[youre-wrong3]

I can say the same about your “contributions”

You can’t go calling things they are not.

[bluebarbet]

For the benefit of any others (miraculously) still reading, I will repeat the statement of fact that you continue stubbornly to deny against all evidence: "'social housing' is a general term that implies subsidization and affordability rather than any one specific ownership model".

Others will make up their mind. Over and out.

[youre-wrong3]

For the benefit of any others. Bluebarbet has never been to Singapore and ultimately doesn’t know what he’s talking about. HDBs are not public housing. It’s land control because Singapore is so tiny.