[billyoyo]

You're describing contact tracing, that is not vaccination. If people were less afraid of vaccinations, invasive practices like contact tracing would be less necessary.

Arguing against that sort of contact tracing may have merits (Not necessarily saying I agree but it's a discussion worth having). Arguing against vaccination is dangerous and ends up with people dead.

[dwd]

Contact tracing is a valuable tool when eradication is an option. It probably should have been used early to manage the current H5N1 (bird flu) pandemic by tracing poultry and livestock movements. Can't do much about migratory wild birds, but we should be able to manage people spreading it.

Problem is vaccination doesn't necessarily prevent transmission for respiratory viruses. There's a general misconception that being vaccinated will prevent you catching it - like you have some invisible shield.

Vaccination should prevent it progressing from an upper respiratory illness to lower respiratory where you primarily develop pneumonia (Covid triggered all sorts of other immune inflammation responses and affected other organs). Most vaccine injuries were the same immune response, but could have been worse had the individual caught Covid.

What vaccines don't do is prevent you spreading a highly transmissible virus before your immune response kicks in and deals with it.

[panny]

>may have

You're splitting hairs because clearly you cheered on the surveillance state. That didn't stop with contact tracing. Contact tracing was just the most egregious example. I watched you people scan QR codes to let big government know where you were when going to the toilet.

I know where I'm at. I know you just want more reasons to flag my posts for covid wrongthink. Knock yourselves out if it makes you feel better about injecting that stuff. The Director of National Intelligence just posted proof that Fauci funded gain of function research in Wuhan and that submission was flagged immediately. That's the guy you trusted before injecting your covid vax. Try to square that circle all you want with censorship however. The truth is out. I knew I was correct to avoid the mRNA. All the proof exists and supports my position.

Edit:

Well billyoyo, since HN tells me "You're posting too fast. Slow down." I'll just have to answer you in an edit.

>With that in mind, why are you against vaccination?

Let's go back to before we knew how it kills people via myocarditis, blood clots, and whatnot. We can map out the options on a very simple chart. On one axis: Get it, Don't get it. On the other axis: You're fine, injury/death.

If I don't get it, but I'm injured, the vaccinated will openly mock me. The unvaccinated will care and try to help me if they can. At least someone will try to support me.

If I get it but I'm injured, the unvaccinated will blame me for volunteering to get it while the vaccinated will say I'm faking the injury to smear the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine. Social media like HN will [flagged][dead] me for talking about my injuries. I'm all alone, no one supports me at all.

Don't get it and I'm fine, the vaccinated seethe and talk about seizing my children and making me unemployable until I comply.

Get it and I'm fine, I get a krispy kreme donut made with GMO flour + corn syrup and become associated with the bad behavior of the vaccinated.

As you can see from this chart, I really don't want to be associated with a lot of self righteous assholes and the only possible benefit is donut slop.

[billyoyo]

I'm not American, so I'll admit I don't exactly subscribe to your american-centric ideas of what the global pandemic was about (operative word: global).

You haven't really explained the link between getting vaccinated and contact tracing, or any other form or surveillance. Getting vaccinated is a simple one-time transactional interaction. There is no intrinsic need for surveillance.

With that in mind, why are you against vaccination? Like I said - people being less anti-vaccination should help build a world where surveillance is less necessary. So you should be in favour of it.