[bigfishrunning]

The problem is that we can no longer trust whether something we're reading is an actual thought that someone had, or if it's copy-pasted garbage that's put there for internet points. The extra effort that comes from that decision is what causes the fatigue.

The internet was low-trust before, and now it's zero-trust.

[giancarlostoro]

That's the thing though, you say copy pasted garbage based on what? What if its impeccable code, some of the best you've ever read, has zero bugs, but then you find out just before downloading it, that AI was used for it. Do you throw it all away as slop? You don't even know how much was done by AI by this point mind you, what if it was very little, what about half? What if all of it was AI, 100% of it, but you didn't even notice before, so where's the bar? Are we after quality or just "a human must have spent hours for me to use the code" which is it? Because for me it's just is it reasonable quality? Then I'll use it. In fact, I use things I "vibe coded" for myself everyday, rarely finding bugs.

[bigfishrunning]

If i didn't notice, that's great! If it were all of such high quality, then people wouldn't have nearly the objection to it. The problem is, especially with long-form prose, that the AI output looks plausible enough, but I've put a lot of effort into reading it before discovering that it's garbage. The cost is entirely too high.

With code, that problem is worse, because code is generally much harder to read then it is to write. Plausible looking code is great until it leaks personal information, damages equipment, or destroys work.

[giancarlostoro]

How perfect does it need to be though? Code by humans is anything but. My problem is I see "THIS IS JUST SLOP" style comments, and it seems obvious they didn't even bother looking at the code, or testing it, they just wrote it off. Imagine if we wrote off software for discovering the developer used auto-complete (which can give you bad code too if you have no idea what he method or property you actually need is!).

For the record I agree with you, and probably most people upset with Slop, but the bar seems unclear and I think this is a bigger problem because having built all sorts of things with AI I find it unfair especially knowing how much effort it takes to do so. If you read one of the Claude focused subreddits there's people like myself who've replaced playing video games with using Claude deep into the midnight hours to hand-craft software with Claude.

[bigfishrunning]

It's not about being perfect (or even good!), it's just that the value of some artifact is much higher if there's any evidence that some real effort was put into its creation.