[erentz]

How can we know the IRA “won”? The country changed a hell of a lot over the course of the Troubles and by the time of the GFA in 1998 I don’t see how it is so clear that the reforms wouldn’t have also been achieved via other peaceful and democratic means.

[walletdrainer]

> How can we know the IRA “won”?

In signing the GFA, the UK effectively gave up on it's sovereignty over NI. That was never going to happen through "peaceful and democratic means"

[erentz]

What makes it giving up sovereignty? I understand it creates the potential for separation in future but not yet. The devolution of Scotland and Wales happened peacefully a couple(?) of years later, and Scotland may also separate in future.

[walletdrainer]

> What makes it giving up sovereignty? I understand it creates the potential for separation in future but not yet.

Look at where the border is, the separation has already happened to a very significant degree.

[GJim]

Good god!

It's difficult to make out if this is ignorance, a poor attempt at satire or simply trolling.

[joxdosba]

Which part do you disagree with?

The border is in the North Channel today, so the bit about sovereignty clearly holds up.

Are you saying the GFA would have been reached through peaceful means?

[raverbashing]

The rabbit hole goes much deeper than simply "they gave up on sovereignty"