[digitaltrees]

You need to look up loss leader strategy and dumping in international trade because that is what china is doing. And your use of their models over api is giving them training data.

They will flip to being just as bad or worse if they beat America.

But America isn’t deserving trust at this point.

The only viable option now is local AI. Our industry needs to figure out how to decentralize training data, infrastructure, inference and analysis.

[trollbridge]

Most the Chinese models are open source. You can buy some hardware and go run them yourself, if you really are concerned about "dumping" and "loss leaders".

[digitaltrees]

But you do see that supports my argument right? For every one of Us that stops paying monthly subscription or api costs to OpenAI/anthropic/google the smaller their market gets. Taken to enough scale and they won’t reach profitability.

So while I am running local models I am aware of the geopolitical implications

[js8]

Why do you care about geopolitical implications? (I don't see how it supports your argument, sorry.)

[digitaltrees]

What do you think my argument is?

China isn’t releasing open weight models for the good of humanity. They are releasing them to undermine US companies financial viability.

I care about that because that competition affects me.

[js8]

I don't know what your argument is. Maybe some US companies won't be financially viable - so what? I mean if it affects you, you have stake in those companies, fair enough. But it's not a geopolitical problem - most US citizens even (not to mention the rest of the world) will be better off if they have access to public models.

[chorizo]

I made the same switch. Impressed with the sheer value of Deepseek v4 Pro and Minimax M3 so far. I mostly work on an open source academic simulation tool, so I’m happy to be a source of training data.