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The Deadly Rise of Giant Trucks and S.U.V.s (nytimes.com)
29 points by xnx 2 hours ago
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No mention of CAFE standards? How can you write this article without mentioning the policy that incentivizes larger vehicles?
I'm excited that EVs get to avoid CAFE standards, so we get to have small vehicles again. Even though legacy domestic car manufacturers aren't going to be involved, as they practically wrote the CAFE standards that eliminated small vehicles, and there's bipartisan support to tariff EV imports out of existence, there's still enough market demand for multiple domestic startups.
Unfortunately, we still get abominations like the GMC Hummer EV (~9000 lbs). Rumor has it the model has been cancelled after 2026 luckily.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2024/11/driving-the-biggest-lea...

https://www.torquenews.com/17998/i-leased-hummer-ev-because-...

No mention of the 1964 chicken tax either.
Unfortunately, in the car size arms race, bigger and heavier cars are safer for their occupants.

"Everyone outside the car be damned" is the expressed preference of US buyers.

I don't think the US consumers are buying the bigger SUV/trucks because they are safer. At best it might be a minor contributing factor. It's primarily a status/identity thing.
Recent Climate Town video on the move to trucks and SUVs: https://youtu.be/JPm4de6-eTg?si=Eu1y3uQIeCGnkR_2

If you don't know Rollie Williams, Climate Town videos are informative but suffused with a lot of humor to prevent it from being too preachy.

There are many factors driving this:

1. Fuel economy regulations that scale regressively with vehicle size, that incentivize automakers to build and market larger vehicles that are easier to hit regulatory targets.

2. Rollover and crash worthiness regulations that require thicker A-pillars and more robust roof structure.

3. Towing performance. The large pickup manufacturers are in an arms race to beat each other’s power and towing capacity numbers. This requires a large, upright grille to provide adequate cooling for a large engine.

4. Consumer demand. The idea that marketing is telling people what to buy is silly. People are spending $80k+ on massive vehicles because they like them. Simple as that. The industry puts lot of marketing effort behind vehicles that are flops. They can’t make people buy a product they don’t want.

Disclaimer: I own a huge diesel pickup, along with a Tesla Model Y and a Porsche 911. Why? They’re fun! I use the pickup to tow an RV, but it’s also just fun to drive.

I have definitely noticed the visibility problem though. Forget pedestrians, sometimes entire cars are hiding behind the A-pillar! You have to move your head to the side to clear the blind spot safely.

Does the added risk translate proportionally to increased insurance costs? Or is there an imbalance? When I was a teen getting insurance for the first time, certain vehicle colors were significantly more expensive to insure, and that fact factored into my car buying decisions.
There are almost never consequences for hitting someone with your car.
all we want are 70-series land cruisers, prados and suzuki jimnys

end the idiotic chicken tax and make small trucks and utes legal again

while we are on the topic, full size vans make a lot more sense than "suvs" for most families

These are gender-affirming vehicles for a large number of men. Taking them away is a direct attack on their masculinity. When we say, "Men are under attack," it refers to things like this.

Regardless of any safety claims, for that reason alone, I don't see it as a politically viable issue.

You might be the one saying this right now, but how old is this comment?

I don't think I've ever heard any man ever say that in real life, but even online it's probably been almost a decade since this was memed into the ground.

How old is the privacy comment or the "parents should parent" comment we see dragged out on every kid's social media ban? It's almost like the age of the sentiment doesn't have any bearing on its relevancy.

> I don't think I've ever heard any man ever say that in real life

Um, because men get weird when you point out the gender-affirming actions they do? Try it irl and see what the reactions are. There's a reason the only place free of physical intimidation is where this can be safely said.

You're right, I don't know why you're getting down voted. You e got my admiration for being brave enough to write this on HN
> These are gender-affirming vehicles for a large number of men.

I think people simply do find SUVs (which I don't like) convenient. Many women, including a huge number of moms, do happen to just love SUVs. Both in the US and in the EU.

In the EU SUVs are now approaching 60% of all cars sold (59.25% or so, latest numbers). You don't get such a market share by being mostly cars sold to men needing to "gender-affirm".

"SUV" is too broad a category. A RAV4 is an SUV. It's similarly sized to most of the SUVs I've seen in Europe. And a pedestrian getting hit by one would have a similar experience to getting hit by a sedan. It's nothing like the big Rams, GMCs or F250s with the high front grilles that are becoming more popular while also being far deadlier to pedestrians.
I drive an SUV. It's convenient!

A Ford F150 is fucking ridiculous in comparison, and larger than any truck I remember seeing growing up, and there's people with F350s for personal use.

One of them ran over and killed a kid outside a nearby children's museum. Those things are not safe.

I have 360 degree cameras (at toddler height), auto braking, every conceivable safety mechanism. I really think that once these are implemented, any hatred of large vehicles is just jealousy.
My normal sized car is at a significant disadvantage in a collision with a full-sized SUV. This creates higher injury risk for me and my family.

Larger vehicles also cause more road damage over time, which raises my taxes or reduces the quality of roads I drive on.

For those reasons, I think vehicles should be taxed by weight, to encourage more smaller, lighter vehicles.

Jealous of what exactly? Sounds like you are trying to justify your needlessly large/heavy vehicle. Plenty of accidents still occur with vehicles that have all those features. And accidents involving large/heavy vehicles are deadlier. It’s not rocket science. On top of that they have other downsides, like increased pollution and road degradation.
Doesn't fix braking distance, doesn't fix the increased chance of serious injury if a collision with a pedestrian occurs.
None of that fixes an inattentive driver flying down the road playing with tiktok on their phone
Agreed. It definitely fixes backing over a toddler in your driveway though.

I have a newer crossover. I put a hitch mount cargo box on and went to back out of the driveway. It slammed the brakes on harder than I ever have.