[nezuzen]

"the US has become an unsafe place to keep your data"

I empathize with this but curious what would make any other country a better safehaven for your data? I personally like the EU's approach to data safeguards, but are there other locales/data protections you have in mind that would keep your data "safe".

[tensor]

Putting aside reliable rule of law, as others have pointed out, it seems unwise to keep your data in a country that has repeated threatened to annex or invade yours.

[OkWing99]

I think US is the only country that's asked to limit their frontier model access based on the Citizenship of the user.

Let's say Gemini gets to AGI by tomorrow, will my Google account access, or Gemini apps access and data be blocked if I'm not a US citizen? (Anthropic did it with a 5% better model).

If US is classifying the model access based on citizenship, that's similar to treating it as a Defense capability.

[sawjet]

I, as a US citizen, also cannot access claude fable.

[yathaid]

You cannot access Fable because Anthropic can't reliably tell whether you are a US citizen. The govt order is based on export controls to non-US citizens.

You can already imagine Anthropic working with a bunch of shady brokers to "remedy" this situation.

[MrDrMcCoy]

Iceland and Switzerland are probably the best places to keep your data safe. I'd put Norway, Sweden, Germany, and the Netherlands after that, though I don't have much specifics on how good they are at privacy these days.

[SilverSlash]

lol the new "swiss banks". store all your dirty data in digital swiss lockers

[digitaltrees]

The rule of law exists in other countries in a way it does not in the US right now.

[SubiculumCode]

Can you give examples?

[digitaltrees]

Is this a good faith question? It would take several hundred pages to document even a fraction of the violations.

How about deporting people without a hearing or opportunity to present evidence about their charges. And then violating the judges order to turn the planes around.

How about systematically ignoring judicial rulings.

How about detaining people based on the color of their skin and spoken language/accent.

How about violating the emoluments clause of the constitution by accepting a personal airplane.

How about sending your son in-law, who hasn’t been appointed to any office with the advice and consent of congress as required by the constitution.

How about refusing to seat elected congress members for reasons for months.

How about singling out companies like intel for targeted trade restrictions and then demanding equity in order to lift them.

What about threatening to delay or deny a merger of a media company unless your ally is allowed to buy them.

What about refusing to enforce the TikTok ban until you can arrange a buy out to an ally.

What about a formal market with a known price for pardons and commutations.

What about stating multiple wars without congressional approval.

What about creating a fake department named Doge that withholds funds apportioned by congress and breaks contracts that have explicit obligations for payment that results in more termination fees and losses than the savings. All without congressional approval.

How about threatening to withhold federal funds from states with governors of the opposing political party but not your own? Remember the president is supposed to execute the law congress passes not make law or arbitrarily enforce it based on their own political needs or values.

[sinuhe69]

Searching and seizure of your laptops, including your personal phones without a probable cause or warrant.

Compel you to reveal your secrets, including your passwords by threatening to arrest and detain you without legal proceedings for an unspecified period.

Deny your basic human rights, particularly at the borders, especially if you aren’t a citizen.

And more.

[brandensilva]

Illegal tariffs, executive usurping congress power of the purse, Noem funding herself and friends with a commercial from an unknown entity with tax payer money, people in ICE/FBI handing over undisclosed unaccounted money in brown bags, insider trading is rampant, using funds inappropriately to fly girlfriend places that isn't official business, illegally using private money to fund public projects, taking bribes from foreign nations like jets and such violating emulation clauses, passing no bid contracts to people you know, using the pardon power inappropriately to pardon crypto scammers and other white collar crimes, moving notorious Epstein related criminals to a low security prison without going through the courts, avoiding justice for sex crimes of the rich, using the DOJ as a political cudgel, and the list goes on.

[sscaryterry]

Wow, this is a bit obtuse.

It is a commonly accepted "fact" right now, outside the US, that the US is not to be trusted (right now), due to some orange guy, and his mates, manipulating markets, running their mouths, doing all kinds of criminal and/or infantile shit.

I'd say there is quite a bit of evidence for this all around.

[SubiculumCode]

Hardly obtuse. It's good to be specific when making broad claims. The graft of Trump is a big problem, IMO, but the claim was larger than that, as being something about America's system of Law and Justice, and I don't see these as being completely busted (yet) by the Orange Man

[digitaltrees]

Sorry but questioning that claim at this point verges on bad faith or credulity.

Ask intel, paramount, TikTok or anthropic if they feel law will be applied equally to all companies.

Ask the blue states that had fema funding withheld when it went to red states.

Ask black families that haven’t gotten reparations when Jan 6 rioters that beat and killed cops to over turn an election will get almost $2b in reparations and then had the Supreme Court throw out their votes in Louisiana in the middle of an election to overturn the voting rights act, redraw districts, overturn their own case law and the principle that judicial review shouldn’t happen too close to an election so they could redraw the districts.

Business leaders are sucking up to curry favor. That by definition isn’t the rule of law it’s the rule of dispensation. It’s the spoils system.

If you have a counter argument you’d better make it now or you will tip your hand.

[SwellJoe]

It isn't completely busted, unless the Trump administration has a personal interest in overriding the law. As sometimes happens when some foreign power, or just a random politician in another nation, does something he doesn't like. Or, when Trump has a personal stake in some other outcome. Who wants to gamble that Trump won't decide to wreck your businesses, sabotage your defenses, or spy on European citizens? We now know most of the major tech companies won't object to information requests, and probably won't even reveal that they've given access to the US government. US citizens maybe still have some protections, but everyone else seems to be fair game.

Frankly, I'm surprised there's not more urgency on the part of Europeans to reduce dependence on US tech. I don't like it. I'm an American in tech. But, the US can't be trusted, at this time. And, given how irresponsible tech leadership has been, in kowtowing to Trump, I don't see how they can reasonably be trusted, either.

[digitaltrees]

They are moving swiftly actually. France announced the government is moving to Linux, several other countries are moving off of aws and Microsoft.

I invest in startups and companies at every stage are losing contracts in Europe specifically for this risk. I can’t say who but it’s a multi front trend.

[jimbokun]

It’s not clear whether Europe has the capability to compete with US tech right now.

[iwontberude]

It’s been cooked for longer than Trump. Al Gore won in 2000 and they stole the election. Everything that followed has been a complete fuckfest.

[AndrewKemendo]

No country is safe. You need to host your own end to end on your own infrastructure if you want to be free.

Stallman was correct in the 80s and is correct now about libre software

[jhancock]

From a legal perspective the US may be safer than other places if the US is the one seeking your data. The US doesn't need legal process to authorize digging into your foreign server.

From a practical perspective, I'm not sure any servers are safe anywhere...depending on who may want your data.

[markhahn]

I guess you mean assuming your data is stored somewhere in the clear (and whole).

I'm surprised there isn't a lot more attention to encrypted, distributed, erasure-encoded stores.