[drnick1]

> The US is really shooting itself in the foot here.

> The restrictions on LLM models like Fable has created a viable international LLM market

The issue is that there is no "international LLM market." America is leading the AI race, and while Chinese open weight models are great, they aren't quite bleeding edge. I routinely use Qwen and GPT-OSS (locally) for things I don't want to share with Anthropic, but they are clearly inferior to SOTA cloud models.

[1over137]

How does it follow that there’s no “international LLM market” just because one party is ahead of another? There’s an international car market even though some cars are better/worse than others.

[toofy]

> America is leading the AI race, and while Chinese open weight models are great, they aren't quite bleeding edge.

this sentiment is far too commonplace in my opinion.

just because the BMW x5 exists doesn’t mean rav4 isn’t used by far far far more people.

the rav4 is close enough for most people to the x5 and way cheaper.

if deepseek is close enough and significantly cheaper, which direction do we think the market will go once the hype trash moves on and people realize how much of the hype trash is just botted algorithms?

[laacz]

Kings come and go. These types of decisions can actually kill a king. Not instantly, of course. But still.