[izacus]

I'm not sure what are you trying to prove and refute in your post really.

The OP - which you're replying to - is saying that they're not having fun playing RTSes like that (which I understand - sounds awfully limited). You're just trying to prove them they're wrong for not having fun or something.

What was your goal with this post, really?

[adammarples]

Understanding a bit about BAR but not really understanding those multilayer games, I found it a helpful counterpoint to the assertion that front is basically t1 spam then die. The idea that you should budget and save for your t2 con because your opponent also has to is useful, and the idea that greater strategies also open up after micro becomes second nature actually makes me want to play these multilayer lobbies more, whereas the initial post seemed quite negative and just intending to moan.

[Sabinus]

aetherspawn is playing in a complex 8v8 team game. They don't want to play and don't enjoy 6 out of the 8 roles/positions on each team.

Unless you're the highest score player in the lobby you don't get to reserve a role. And the back line roles are pretty crucial and can lose the game for the team. They're not going to have a good time in anything that isn't a very noob or a vs AI lobby with the way they currently understand and approach the game. Salty veterans and meta players notwithstanding.

[izacus]

You are wonderfully demonstrating the toxicity and shittiness of the community it seems, especially by being obtuse about what they wrote.

[Sabinus]

I don't appreciate this characterisation.

A lot of the conflict in BAR comes from people having different expectations about the multiplayer game experience.

I'm not going to deny BAR has salty veterans and a meta. It's a high complexity 16 player game that can go for over an hour. It doesn't really have a ranked autoqueue and there's going to be different expectations about gameplay in different lobbies. While the community and the devs can help with this, new users should be proactive in finding the right lobby or finding a way to play that's fun for the rest of the people in the lobby.

Arguing with an established lobby over role picks or meta isn't worthwhile. aetherspawn can make our find a lobby with random role pick setting, named 'friendly learning noob lobby' and they're set. I see these reasonably often. Complaining about the competative meta players in the their lobbies isn't really productive.

[aetherspawn]

I don’t mind playing 2nd from front. On a lot of maps this leaves 6/8 roles that I like. On others, it leaves 4/8 roles.

If people really liked playing those roles, why am I always forced to play them? Shouldn’t everyone else be jumping to grab them? Lol

[Sabinus]

I had a look at the map stats. Of the 64 current maps for 8v8, 72% of the 1024 labelled roles/positions are pure front. 2nd from front isn't really a role and mainly just has timing differences, unless it's a front/tech role.

Front is the majority of the gameplay in BAR. Playing tech and getting to scale with no sweaty micro is nice, and a reasonably skilled and essential role, so it usually gets picked up by one of the top 4 on your team if doing the traditional lobby settings. Sea and air are the same popularity as front, perhaps less IMO.

Can I ask if you watched any tutorial videos or spectated many higher OS lobbies? The spectate function is excellent, and the two high OS lobbies will have spectators willing to answer questions about gameplay that made front micro against sweaties a lot less frustrating. It helped me a lot.