[shireboy]

I’ve been considering a move to local llm setup, having been underwhelmed coat vs value of various online offerings. But at the same time worried anything I get will be obsolete in a couple months. And I don’t want to have to babysit it. I really want some agents managing and creating side hustles for me and have some other things. I’m technical-have written my own harness and use gh copilot and grok daily and have a hosted openwebui+openrouter thing. I’m also torn between a 128g MacBook Pro or a framework, or spark or similar and lightweight laptop to access. Would love advice anyone has for (or against) going local. I have asked ai but have analysis paralysis as 5k would be a big investment for me so I want to make right choices

[peddling-brink]

Well, if you are making side-hustle money now using online models that, critically, you could also run at home, then it sounds like it’s just a matter of numbers. Oh and, unless you spend a lot more than 5k, your local model will still be slower than the online model. What’s your estimated ROI?

Assuming that’s not true based on your phrasing, you’d be shooting yourself in the foot. Start using online models with the same quant at least benchmark as what you could run at home. Prepare for the at home model to be slower.

[dominotw]

no one is making money side-hustling ai models. This is like reddit wet dream. get real, dont get scammed by ppl selling you these dreams.

[cpburns2009]

Mac, DGX Spark, and a Framework Desktop / Ryzen AI Max 395 (ie Strix Halo) will not give you great performance running LLMs. One benefit of the Spark over the others is you can easily link up to 4 of them. Only MoE (sparse) models will be usable. Even if you can run some massive models, they will crawl. You're better off running one or more GPU cards.

[ericd]

You probably want to try renting some time on a dedicated box with roughly the specs you’re considering and running the open models for a bit to see if you would actually use them before dropping a lot on local hardware. A 128 gig MacBook Pro isn’t going to get you an amazing model, and certainly not amazing speed. GLM 5.2 wants something like 350+ gigs at fp4 iirc.

[zackify]

I ran glm 5.2 on rented 8x h200 it could only do 2x concurrency at a cost of $40 an hour. It felt great but dang I wish it was cheaper... It needs 750 at fp8

[zackangelo]

what was the concurrency limitation? that node should be able to support a lot more

[traceroute66]

> You probably want to try renting some time on a dedicated box with roughly the specs you’re considering and running the open models

You don't even need to go that far. For example, with Exoscale Dedicated Inference[1] you just point it at the Hugging Face for the model and quantisation you want to test and it automagically spits out an OpenAI-compatible API endpoint.

[1] https://www.exoscale.com/ai-cloud-infrastructure/dedicated-i...

(I have no relationship with Exoscale, this particular product just crossed my radar recently)

[hgoel]

I think they're just suggesting renting as a way to test that the hardware they're considering purchasing would actually be able to do what they need.

[traceroute66]

> I think they're just suggesting renting as a way to test

Well, yes, I understood that.

Which is why I started with the words "You don't even need to go that far.".

To re-phrase what I said in clearer terms:

Instead of renting an instance, then messing around with configuring Linux and whatever via SSH or Ansible or whatever. Just point a Hugging Face link at this magic service and get a ready-to-go API back. Enabling you to test your desired model spec with minimum fuss.

Ultimately the guy wants his own hardware. So why waste time messing around with someone else's VM if you just want to test a specific model spec. That is the TL;DR.

[ericd]

Half of my point was to test the models, the other half was to try to get a sense of what the speed would be. Hard to do, but dropping $5k on a 128 gig machine thinking that will unlock good local AI and then realizing that you’ll need to spend >$20k more to run a decent model, and then finding out that even that gives you crap speed isn’t the best way to discover all this.

I very much want local AI to win this in the end, but it’s extremely expensive to run good models at good speed locally right now. Minimax M2.5/2.7, Qwen 3.6, etc are pretty good for basic stuff, but pretty far off from competing with Opus/Fable.