[inigyou]

and anything P2P. Maybe that would have been a driver 20 years ago, but now everything is expected to be centralised. Our culture has shifted. Remember when people used to host their game servers? If you're under 16, you don't because it was never in your lifetime.

[hdgvhicv]

I have to open a hole in my firewall to host any service. Nat doesn’t change that.

Unless you want to host multiple minecraft servers on the same port on different servers at home?

Indeed hosting anything at home is such a rare workflow that someone wanting it can choose an isp which gives them the facilities they need.

Unless you don’t live in a competitive market based economy and just have the single government mandated isp aimed at the lowest common denominator, in which case you’ve got far worse problems.

[TeMPOraL]

Or unless you do live in a competitive market based economy, and have a choice of several ISPs with practically equivalent offering aimed at the lowest common denominator, none of whom supports something niche like "giving you facilities for hosting stuff at home".

If there's one thing market competition does well, is remove any kind of meaningful variety - because supporting a niche offering costs money, and is not worth it unless it nets positive, otherwise it's just a drag that makes you fall behind your competition.

[inigyou]

The average person finds port forwarding much more confusing than "allow Minecraft y/n"

[sznio]

it's more like that the IPv6 switchover was so fumbled that we went from fast P2P like with Skype, to shitty, centralized and data-mined Discord.

The internet would be much less centralized if IPv6 happened when it was supposed to.