[achierius]

I want to put this charitably, but you come out swinging by saying this is "over hyped"... You clearly don't work in a role dealing with attacks from these models. They've changed the game, and for the worse. Capabilities that used to be available only to nation-state attackers are legitimately commodified, or nearly so.

[WarOnPrivacy]

> You clearly don't work in a role dealing with attacks from these models.

I do. And from my perspective, most people in tech do.

> these models [have] changed the game, and for the worse.

Yes. Also for the better.

> Capabilities that used to be available only to nation-state attackers

We (unhelpfully) draw a tight line around nation-state attackers. We don't perceive them as part of the relentless tendency of the powerful - to leverage tech against everyone they can. Particularly us.

> Capabilities ... are legitimately commodified,

Sure. Models will keep increasing in ability. The only choice is whether they're limited for the powerful to use against us - or if that power extends to us, to help us keep the powerful in check.

[sroussey]

Better get used to it. Just like encryption being available to all, it was terrible for some.

Local models will catch up and then you won’t be able to legally download them. I’m guessing DeepSeek 5 will be illegal to download even if it’s only opus 4.x level when it’s released.

[achierius]

I'm not saying anything good or bad about the fact that they can do what they do. But they can do what they do, it's not hype.