[FireBeyond]

> Israel left Gaza in 2005

You're absolutely right, and this is antisemitic propaganda. Israel left more than 20 years ago and didn't return until 2023 due to Hamas terrorism.

They certainly didn't return:

- for five months in 2006 for Operation Summer Rains

- or again in 2006 for Operation Autumn Clouds

- or again in 2008 for Operation Hot Winter

- or again in 2008 into 2009 for Operation Cast Lead

- or again in 2012 for Operation Pillar of Defense

- or again in 2014 for Operation Protective Edge

- or again in 2018 and 2019 for incursions and special-forces actions, like that covert IDF operation in Khan Younis that got fucked up and led to a firefight deep in Gaza (but that couldn't have happened, because they left back in 2005, right?)

- or lastly, before October 7, in 2021 in Operation Guardians of the Walls.

None of those large named operations could have happened, let alone anything smaller than named operations, like special forces or commando raids, because those things are purely Hamas propaganda, and not formal IDF operations.

Right?

[UltraSane]

This is what makes talking about Israel so exhausting. Everyone of those operations was a repsponse to some violence Hamas did and you just ignore it because you are so incredibly biased.

Hamas thinks it can destroy Israel with force. It can't anymore than native Americans can destroy the US. And Hamas trying and failing over and over and over and over has made the lives of Palastinians much worse. Hamas gleefully kills any Palestinians that point this out or oppose them in any way.

Just for comparison after Germany lost WW2 they lost 25% of their land and 14 million German living on it were expelled. Has Germany spent the last 78 years trying to get it back? No. Instead they have been doing the smarter option which is creating a peaceful and rich country, which is what the Palastinians should have done.

[FireBeyond]

> Everyone of those operations was a repsponse to some violence Hamas did and you just ignore it because you are so incredibly biased.

You're right. It -is- exhausting. Because I never said a word about the merit, or lack thereof, of Israel's actions or reactions, or Hamas'.

I just commented that Israel has spent multiple years in Gaza "since they left".

HOWEVER, you absolutely stated, and get bent out of shape multiple times in this thread alone, at anyone even hinting Israel set foot in Gaza since 2005:

Someone comments saying this exact thing, "Israel has been operating in buffer zones", etc., etc. and you?

"Israel left... Stop telling obvious lies."

Also, it might not be permanent occupation but when you're back there nearly every year for 3-9 months, it might not feel like you ever really left.

[UltraSane]

So Israel left Gaza and then Hamas promptly took power and has been attacking Israel ever since, and eagerly killing any Palestinian who opposes them.