[fzeroracer]

> An LLM absolutely shortens the research part of learning

No, it doesn't. Because in any scenario where you are using AI in a potentially appropriate manner, you are verifying every single source it spits out and cross referencing everything it says. If you do not do this you are failing the process entirely.

[wvenable]

If I ask my buddy for help, I don't cross reference everything he says either even though he could just as easily be wrong. A lot of what I'm talking about is every day stuff not nuclear physics.

LLMs are not even close to that unreliable.

[fzeroracer]

If I ask my buddy for help I'm not considering that part of research or learning I consider that leaning on their potential expertise. You're not learning shit on how to build a house just because you ask your friend to build one for you.

If we're talking about research as in actually attempting to learn and get to the heart of a matter then yes. You should be cross referencing everything.

[wvenable]

My point is if you ask your friend/LLM how to build a house and then build a house then you've learned how to build a house.

I've build a lot of "houses" recently that I wouldn't have attempted if I didn't have a friend/LLM to ask.

[fzeroracer]

And I see people say this, that they've built a house but what they've built is something that structurally collapses immediately and fails due to problems that even an average person would've avoided had they learned how to build a house.

So did you build a house, or did you build a house?

[wvenable]

How can I argue about such a hypothetical?!? If I ask an LLM or my mother-in-law about how to get wine out of the carpet, and I get wine out of the carpet, maybe I have done it wrong and my house will burn down! Who knows?! Your argument is meaningless; there's nothing anyone can say to that.

[fzeroracer]

And if you ask an LLM about an effective cure for cancer and it spits out to drink bleach, are you going to follow it?

When you ask 'who knows' that's the point of research which was my original comment here. The same goes true for some random asshole telling you to drink bleach as it does an LLM, except people seemingly have hyped themselves into believing the LLM is more right somehow instead of being trained on every random asshole ever.

[hodder]

Spot on analogy.

[cryo32]

You probably just built a shanty town according to a professional.

[wvenable]

What's your point? I could just not ask an LLM and not do anything. Is that better somehow?

[cryo32]

Yes. You could not do it. Doing stuff isn’t essential. Especially when you have no idea what you are doing.