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by Krasnol 6 days ago
I'm not planning for anything because you can't plan for the next decade atm. How would you plan for 100s and 1000s of years?

We should REDUCE the danger to those generations and not make it larger for no sane reason.

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Nuclear is REDUCING the overall danger.

Because the alternatives are much more dangerous.

How are renewables more dangerous?
"How" is not really a relevant question in this context. They are, empirically.

Though it has to be said that solar/wind and nuclear are all extremely safe, meaning it doesn't really matter that much which of these you use, the overall risk is always going to be very low, and the relative numbers are going to be very sensitive to small changes or variations in analyses.

Hydro is significantly more dangerous, and all the fossil fuels are tremendously more dangerous.

Due to the fact that intermittent renewables usually require fossil backup for that majority of countries that don't have abundant hydro, you have to take that into account.

A 2013 paper by NASA showed that nuclear power had saved around 1.84 million lives by 2011.

https://www.giss.nasa.gov/pubs/abs/kh05000e.html

A 2019 study shows that reduced use of nuclear energy post-Fukushima cost hundreds of thousands of lives.

https://columbia.edu/~mhs119/Kharecha.Sato_Jpn.Ger_post.Fuku...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030142151...

Whereas the WHO predicts that there will be no measurable health effects on the general Japanese public from Fukushima, and the majority of negative health consequences were from the unnecessary evacuations.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095758201...

Radiophobia kills!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiophobia

> Though it has to be said that solar/wind and nuclear are all extremely safe

Who said that?

What are you talking about? How is a solar panel even on the same safety-shelf with nuclear material??

What are you talking about??

> A 2013 paper by NASA showed that nuclear power had saved around 1.84 million lives by 2011.

Which is again related to the Astroturf tactic of playing nuclear vs. coal and is not related to today's calculations where it is renewables vs. nuclear.

Would you please stop derailing the discussion with this?

Nuclear peaked in the 90 and is being overtaken by renewables in certain countries as well as probably worldwide this year: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/electricity-production-by...

It is actually renewables which lead to coal being removed from the mix. Not nuclear:

https://ourworldindata.org/electricity-mix

> Who said [that solar/wind and nuclear are all extremely safe]?

Not "who". "What". And the answer is "the data". The data say that.

Empirically. Completely independent of whether you understand how.

And nuclear did not peak in the 90s. 2024 was a record production year, 2025 was another record production year, the number of states adopting nuclear power is rising, the number of reactors is rising, the number of builds is rising, the rate of the increase in number of builds is rising.

Empirically.

And intermittent renewables are ... intermittent ... and therefore cannot actually completely replace fossil fuels. Which is why almost all industrialized nations are doing nuclear AND renewables.

Only in the renewbro-bubble are nuclear and renewables mutually exclusive.

In the real world they are complementary. Here's the Finnish environment minister:

"If we consider the [consumption] growth figures, the question isn't whether it's wind or nuclear power. We need both," Mykkänen said at a press conference on Tuesday morning.

He added that Finland's newest nuclear reactor, Olkiluoto 3, enabled the expansion of the country's wind power infrastructure. Nuclear power, he said, is needed to counterbalance output fluctuations of wind turbines.

https://yle.fi/a/74-20136905

> Not "who". "What". And the answer is "the data". The data say that.

Why don't you link to "the data" then?

> And nuclear did not peak in the 90s. 2024 was a record production year,

I just gave you a source which proves my statement and shows that yours is a lie. Just like everything else you added to it.

> And intermittent renewables are ... intermittent ... and therefore cannot actually completely replace fossil fuels.

Weird how they can't but already do. Must be some kind of magic eh?

> Only in the renewbro-bubble are nuclear and renewables mutually exclusive.

Nope. This is a lie also :)

Nuclear clogs up transmission ways when it's not necessary. This is a fact and happens today.

> Here's the Finnish environment minister:

Why not add the French environment minister also? You can add as many ministers as you want, the world doesn't care. The money goes into renewables and they're the future.

Here is the source again: https://ourworldindata.org/electricity-mix