[dvt]

> Your argument boils down to: companies haven't respected copyright or user consent for a long time, so why should we now care?

This is not a very charitable take. My argument is: that cat is out of the bag, so what do we do next? Do you have a plan? Ranting about consent or privacy or copyright won't somehow untrain these models. At least the math people put out the pretty sensible Leiden Declaration[1].

> Don't you see a problem with that? Why should we not care?

This is a lot like saying "do you not see a problem with nuclear weapons? They can wipe out humanity!"—I mean, yeah, sure I do, but ranting about the technology won't somehow put that cat back in the bag, either.

[1] https://leidendeclaration.ai/

[spacechild1]

> My argument is: that cat is out of the bag, so what do we do next?

I did not see this argument in your first post at all. Instead you tried to dismiss the author's complaints, arguing that none of their complaints are new. (Which is true in a sense, but it ignores the most important point: that of scale)

> I mean, yeah, sure I do, but ranting about the technology won't somehow put that cat back in the bag, either.

Fair enough, the author did not propose any concrete solutions. However, their analysis is still correct. The first step towards change is to acknowledge that we have a problem. Your first reply did not seem to do that, on the contrary, it seemed to downplay the authors concerns. Maybe that was not your intention, but that's how I read it.

I certainly agree that we need to find solutions. Yes, the cat is out of the bag, but with proper legal frameworks and regulations we can keep it from pissing all over the living room.

[civet_java]

> Ranting about consent or privacy or copyright won't somehow untrain these models.

On the other hand pointed, organised, public dissatisfaction and upheaval could lead to legislation requiring companies caught in the act of theft to fork over their profits to the state to be used for public good. Think about it :)