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by corimaith 3 days ago
Or you could just use a CNN...
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CNNs are not SoTA anymore when it comes to large models, and also are not used to provide interpretations of images as text, but rather to classify, do semantic segmentation, etc.
CNNs are fine when trained with a good recipe. There are very few good studies comparing them with proper hyperparam search and all the training tricks applied consistently. Transformers are good but ViT vs CNN is not some settled issue. Transformers are more hyped and more popular with the tech enthusiasts who just read forums and news, but if you need stuff done, CNNs are still great.
I agree, but since we're talking about imagine understanding with text output, clearly a CNN is unsuitable. My previous comment was overly reductive and CNNs can still be SoTA depending on your performance metrics. I spent the earlier part of my career training CNNs, and they are very pleasant to work with.
You can run a CNN and use the downsampled feature map the same way as patch tokens.
>Transformers are more hyped and more popular with the tech enthusiasts who just read forums and news, but if you need stuff done, CNNs are still great.

Vits are straight up more popular for ML research now, it's not just 'tech enthusiasts'.

There's a dearth of research properly comparing them.
I'm talking about research pushing state of the art in computer vision. Vits have 100% become more popular than CNNs in most CV research.
Yes but not based on rigorous comparison. I'm not saying ViT is bad. But it took over mainly because it's the shiny new thing. It very bandwagon-Y even among PhD students.
Can you say more about that? I haven't kept up.
CNNs excel in vision tasks where you have limited compute, limited memory, limited data, and want something that works super well and quick. People usually don't hook CNNs up to a transformer to get language understanding either, you have to train bespoke CNNs for specific tasks

ViTs excel where you're unbounded in compute + data and also want text understanding or have a conversation about an image

These are vibes. ViT has been shown to work fine on small data with proper hyperparam and most of what you mention is actually doable just fine with the other architecture as well.
Transformers are superior
Which?