[pjc50]

I will just note that there was quite a lot of European participation in the bombing of Libya, as well as the Iraq war. European policy towards North Africa has basically been "hopefully they'll drown before they cross the Mediterranean" rather than pro-stability.

[bilekas]

The EU and NATO didn't not initialize those wars. We supported the US after they made false claims for WMDs. And now when Ukraine needs some more support, they're AWOL all of a sudden. Because their "democracy" runs on the whims of a TV show personality who didn't even win more than 50% of the vote.