| > this isn't even prompt injection; even if it was, how do you go from "exists" to "for all"? Yes it is, and nice backtrack in the same sentence there. I've laid out plenty of evidence here so far, it's your turn to start thinking. We'll try the Socratic method. Given that every LLM seen so far has been vulnerable to prompt injection attacks, what is your possible basis for thinking that one can be made immune from them? I'm going from "multiple attacks of this type exist for all know models, and the attacks exploit a known weakness in the design" to "therefore all LLMs are susceptible to this attack". You're going from "an attack exists for all know models" to "it's definitely possible to build an LLM that is immune from this attack". That's a much larger leap, so show the logic backing your assertion. > then what are we talking about? if you don't know how you want your software to behave, how do you define a bug? You are the one asserting that input/output mappings existed for the entire space, not me. >> linux is not a pure function ... > which is my point -- it's worse What, is this your first year in CS? No useful system can be a pure function. Side effects are work, if your function doesn't have a side effect, it does no work. Any system that uses an LLM to attempt work will have side effects - they may even include bombing an elementary school in Iran. >> to establish an order of magnitude > and for linux? I've done all the thinking and all the research in this conversation so far, and I even specifically explained that you can't measure state space for a stateful function in a comparable way to a pure function. Clearly you didn't understand that, so if you want to force the comparison you can start adding up the state space for the linux kernel. Start with the spaces that are covered by tests, valid items include syscalls, registers, hardware interupts, etc. Invalid spaces include doing something intentionally stupid like using the entire size of the ram or the space on the hard disk, since those are accessed on demand and not - like in an llm - all added together and fed into a blender everytime a syscall is made. |
agree to disagree
> every LLM has been vulnerable
and every OS had bugs
> show the logic
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1912.10077
> you are the one asserting mappings existed
I know? that's why I'm asking?
> no useful system can be a pure function
why not? surely you can describe useful systems with qm? evolution operator of a closed system seems pretty pure to me
it's almost as if you could reformulate anything such that the state was one of the arguments of the function
> you can start adding up the state space for the linux kernel
I can give you a lower bound -- (your estimate for LLMs)*2, as you could imagine state "running two instances of llama-cpp"