[greenavocado]

I never said a high TFR means a vibrant society. A low TFR is indisputably the slow death of a society.

[myrmidon]

> A low TFR is indisputably the slow death of a society.

No this is a non-sequitur.

Low fertility only means that the affected society grows smaller. This is only equivalent to "slow death" when it persists for centuries until the society is actually dead.

[petersellers]

Not necessarily if you take immigration into account.

[greenavocado]

A society replaced by immigrants is no longer that same society. My original point still stands.

[eru]

In the case of Singapore it would be just the opposite:

Singapore was and is build on the back of immigrants. Replacing ourselves with kids instead of immigrants would be the big change.

[thunderfork]

Whereas a society replaced by children...

[greenavocado]

Whereas a society replaced by its own children maintains continuity of community, nation, or broad grouping of people having common traditions, institutions, and collective activities and interests

[eru]

What about those societies that have traditionally replaced themselves via immigrants? Moving to a replacement via kids would be the change for them.

[thunderfork]

Plenty changes between generations. Still not the same society.

[eru]

Vatican is the deadest of societies, I guess?

[greenavocado]

Correct